Really sucks that AGP stopped selling these kits. I really think these would have taken off in sales this year
Thats the truth...Everybody is looking for spool these days and not Dyno queens. THats why ppl are buying SST/E1/E2 .
Since they stop making these (3147), I've decide to go with the Stage 3r. So I'm saving like crazy for it. BUT if they were to start making theses turbo kit again. I'd buy one
Even though I started this thread, I've come to realize I'd NEVER buy a 3147 simply because you can't buy them from AGP anymore, and AGP adamantly refuses to disclose what parts they used to make these. Lets say one wears out... since you bought a proprietary, one-off "house special" turbo, you're screwed. Since they won't tell anyone what parts are inside of it, AGP is the only place that can help you. You can't buy a replacement 3147 because they don't make them anymore (AGP says it's because they can't get the parts anymore). Obviously, if they don't have the parts to make any, they won't have any parts to fix them, either.
If you do get them to fix a 3147, you won't be able to drive your car for a while. No, you have to wait for shipping both ways, and the time it takes them to locate the secret rare parts and fix the turbo. Then after all that hassle you put them through, you're forced to pay whatever they say, and lets face it... AGP is expensive. At this point you're probably better off buying a different turbo instead, making this whole investment a bad one.
I'm skipping all this drama, and from the get-go I'll be buying a turbo made with industry standard parts that aren't a "secret recipe." I want to be able to have the peace of mind knowing I can shop around for fair deals on replacement parts, or have the ability to go to any turbo shop and get back on the road ASAP. I'm not willing to risk being stuck in this shit situation.
The same goes with the Stage 3 turbo. Even though appearing factory gets my rocks off, as much as I hate to say it, there's no way I'm spending that much on a proprietary turbo with zero warranty, no factory service parts, and such a terrible reputation for chipped turbine wheels and massively cracked turbine housings.
When I baught my 3147 kit through TKMotorsports in their Last 3147 Kits Available Group Buy, I was told that AGP baught twice the amount of turbos for this last batch of kits, so they can use the 2nd half of the turbos for replacement parts. I'd emagine they have approximately 10 spare 3147 turbos available for warranty issues. When I receive my kit from TKMotorsports (Currently getting blinged out with Ceramic Coating), I plan to take measurements of the inducer and exducer for Tex's Turbo Specs. Thread. Maybe it'll help shead some light on what parts AGP used for this kit.
running 22psi pump gas on the street. 750's no return line I am pulling 21% on hi trims across the board with safc and hitting 11.5 afr. the 3147 is a great turbo only thing that is weird is I am not seeing 22lbs until 3700rpm and I already did boost leak test and have none. car still pulls like raped ape all the way to redline anyone else having slow spool problems?
I have noticed the same thing...but this thing does pull like crazy all the way to redline.
oh ya the turbo pulls way hard to redline. dynoing very soon I will post numbers 28psi I have been raping 50 trim srt's all day here. it being 47lb per min vs. 50 trim 50lb per min. just tuning.
but I believe the compressor wheel is a dbb 50 trim wheel and a smaller compresser housing to4b i believe instead of the t04e used on the 50 trim. Now feel free to correct me if I am wrong but that is what I was told.
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running 22psi pump gas on the street. 750's no return line I am pulling 21% on hi trims across the board with safc and hitting 11.5 afr. the 3147 is a great turbo only thing that is weird is I am not seeing 22lbs until 3700rpm and I already did boost leak test and have none. car still pulls like raped ape all the way to redline anyone else having slow spool problems?
I have noticed the same thing...but this thing does pull like crazy all the way to redline.
oh ya the turbo pulls way hard to redline. dynoing very soon I will post numbers 28psi I have been raping 50 trim srt's all day here. it being 47lb per min vs. 50 trim 50lb per min. just tuning.
but I believe the compressor wheel is a dbb 50 trim wheel and a smaller compresser housing to4b i believe instead of the t04e used on the 50 trim. Now feel free to correct me if I am wrong but that is what I was told.
I've heard the 3147 is an excellent performer, that's why I started this thread. I don't mean to sound like its a bad setup at all, I'd just hate having one and needing it serviced (no turbo will last forever).
The 50 trim is rated at 47 lb/min. AGP also rates the 3147 at 47 lb/min, too. There is no difference between a 50 trim compressor wheel and a DBB 50 trim compressor wheel, the "DBB" designation only refers to the type of bearing in the bearing housing (center section). I've seen a picture of a 3147 where it had an 8 blade compressor wheel, and there's no compressor wheel in either the Garrett T3 or T04 family that have 8 blades. Most all have 6 blades, with the only exception I know of is the 60-1, that has 7. I also remember the old Buick Grand National using a special GM "one off" proprietary T3-family wheel made by Garrett with 7 blades. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong...
running 22psi pump gas on the street. 750's no return line I am pulling 21% on hi trims across the board with safc and hitting 11.5 afr. the 3147 is a great turbo only thing that is weird is I am not seeing 22lbs until 3700rpm and I already did boost leak test and have none. car still pulls like raped ape all the way to redline anyone else having slow spool problems?
I have noticed the same thing...but this thing does pull like crazy all the way to redline.
oh ya the turbo pulls way hard to redline. dynoing very soon I will post numbers 28psiI have been raping 50 trim srt's all day here. it being 47lb per min vs. 50 trim 50lb per min. just tuning.
but I believe the compressor wheel is a dbb 50 trim wheel and a smaller compresser housing to4b i believe instead of the t04e used on the 50 trim. Now feel free to correct me if I am wrong but that is what I was told.
Even though I started this thread, I've come to realize I'd NEVER buy a 3147 simply because you can't buy them from AGP anymore, and AGP adamantly refuses to disclose what parts they used to make these. Lets say one wears out... since you bought a proprietary, one-off "house special" turbo, you're screwed. Since they won't tell anyone what parts are inside of it, AGP is the only place that can help you. You can't buy a replacement 3147 because they don't make them anymore (AGP says it's because they can't get the parts anymore). Obviously, if they don't have the parts to make any, they won't have any parts to fix them, either.
If you do get them to fix a 3147, you won't be able to drive your car for a while. No, you have to wait for shipping both ways, and the time it takes them to locate the secret rare parts and fix the turbo. Then after all that hassle you put them through, you're forced to pay whatever they say, and lets face it... AGP is expensive. At this point you're probably better off buying a different turbo instead, making this whole investment a bad one.
I'm skipping all this drama, and from the get-go I'll be buying a turbo made with industry standard parts that aren't a "secret recipe." I want to be able to have the peace of mind knowing I can shop around for fair deals on replacement parts, or have the ability to go to any turbo shop and get back on the road ASAP. I'm not willing to risk being stuck in this shit situation.
The same goes with the Stage 3 turbo. Even though appearing factory gets my rocks off, as much as I hate to say it, there's no way I'm spending that much on a proprietary turbo with zero warranty, no factory service parts, and such a terrible reputation for chipped turbine wheels and massively cracked turbine housings.
AGP has been standup for me and I'm not afraid that they'll come through with a fix if needed at a decent price.
Probably alot cheaper than a replacement cartridge for any DBB turbo. If you read there forum now they are asking if everyone wants them to keep 3147 in production line even though they cost more to produce. Mine was cheaper then a 50 trim so how can you say they are more expensive?
Kits are pricy everywhere...At least the ones that use quality parts. Worth it in the long run. FOR SURE !! Buy once with everything you need with a reputable company.
running 22psi pump gas on the street. 750's no return line I am pulling 21% on hi trims across the board with safc and hitting 11.5 afr. the 3147 is a great turbo only thing that is weird is I am not seeing 22lbs until 3700rpm and I already did boost leak test and have none. car still pulls like raped ape all the way to redline anyone else having slow spool problems?
I have noticed the same thing...but this thing does pull like crazy all the way to redline.
oh ya the turbo pulls way hard to redline. dynoing very soon I will post numbers 28psi I have been raping 50 trim srt's all day here. it being 47lb per min vs. 50 trim 50lb per min. just tuning.
but I believe the compressor wheel is a dbb 50 trim wheel and a smaller compresser housing to4b i believe instead of the t04e used on the 50 trim. Now feel free to correct me if I am wrong but that is what I was told.
I've heard the 3147 is an excellent performer, that's why I started this thread. I don't mean to sound like its a bad setup at all, I'd just hate having one and needing it serviced (no turbo will last forever).
The 50 trim is rated at 47 lb/min. AGP also rates the 3147 at 47 lb/min, too. There is no difference between a 50 trim compressor wheel and a DBB 50 trim compressor wheel, the "DBB" designation only refers to the type of bearing in the bearing housing (center section). I've seen a picture of a 3147 where it had an 8 blade compressor wheel, and there's no compressor wheel in either the Garrett T3 or T04 family that have 8 blades. Most all have 6 blades, with the only exception I know of is the 60-1, that has 7. I also remember the old Buick Grand National using a special GM "one off" proprietary T3-family wheel made by Garrett with 7 blades. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong...
Yep, 8 blades. I just went and took a pic of mine, here you go
AGP has been standup for me and I'm not afraid that they'll come through with a fix if needed at a decent price.
Probably alot cheaper than a replacement cartridge for any DBB turbo. If you read there forum now they are asking if everyone wants them to keep 3147 in production line even though they cost more to produce. Mine was cheaper then a 50 trim so how can you say they are more expensive?
Kits are pricy everywhere...At least the ones that use quality parts. Worth it in the long run. FOR SURE !! Buy once with everything you need with a reputable company.
It's no doubt that AGP is a stand-up company, but as with any product or service, quality comes at a premium, and they are definitely high quality. Don't get me wrong about my opinion of them, I plan to spend big money with them without hesitation, just not on a 3147. I was saying that it would probably be more expensive if you had to get replacement parts, since they aren't common, readily available parts you can find anywhere. Since they have no competitors who also supply parts for the 3147, there is no 'fair market value' .... it's just whatever they say, which may or may not be steep, depending on when you call and who you talk to.
AGP has been standup for me and I'm not afraid that they'll come through with a fix if needed at a decent price.
Probably alot cheaper than a replacement cartridge for any DBB turbo. If you read there forum now they are asking if everyone wants them to keep 3147 in production line even though they cost more to produce. Mine was cheaper then a 50 trim so how can you say they are more expensive?
Kits are pricy everywhere...At least the ones that use quality parts. Worth it in the long run. FOR SURE !! Buy once with everything you need with a reputable company.
It's no doubt that AGP is a stand-up company, but as with any product or service, quality comes at a premium, and they are definitely high quality. Don't get me wrong about my opinion of them, I plan to spend big money with them without hesitation, just not on a 3147. I was saying that it would probably be more expensive if you had to get replacement parts, since they aren't common, readily available parts you can find anywhere. Since they have no competitors who also supply parts for the 3147, there is no 'fair market value' .... it's just whatever they say, which may or may not be steep, depending on when you call and who you talk to.
Then we have to hope AGP stays a stand up and fair company as they have seemed to be. That's how you keep customers in the long run. Screw one over and see how far it gets you. Too many company's fall to the wayside because of that. Trust....That's the name of the game.
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