I currently have all the bolt ons stg2/toys, etc. etc. The cars making 312hp and 363 ft lb's torque.
I'm looking for quick spool up for autocross type events. I'm thinking if i bolt on the stg3 car with safc2 it will make approxomately 400 hp on hom.
As for the 3071r tuned for about 22 lb's it might make 410-420 ish??
Lagggg is a huge factor in my decision. I'm thinking the stg3 car will come on a little sooner and have higher avg hp accross the board. While the 3071 will hold out the power longer and make better peak hp.
Additionally, the dbb turbo appears to be more reliable and longer lasting.
Has anyone experienced both of these vehicles? Any thoughts or comments are greatly appreciated.
Get stg3 It has lagless performance, and is awesome. It may not make the big numbers, but what it makes under the curve is It's fully spooles by 2500, and feels just like the stocker. Except where the stocker left you with a empty feeling in the upper revs, the stg 3 will take care of. It's everything that the stock should be, and isn't, get stg3. Thank me later. Don't just look at peak numbers, because anything past 300whp and torque is tuff to put down. I know that my stg3 is really useless for dragging without slicks. I'm maybe a 350whp and torque, I can't imagine why you would need more. Unless you like spinning your tires in 3rd gear, without trying.
Get stg3 It has lagless performance, and is awesome. It may not make the big numbers, but what it makes under the curve is It's fully spooles by 2500, and feels just like the stocker. Except where the stocker left you with a empty feeling in the upper revs, the stg 3 will take care of. It's everything that the stock should be, and isn't, get stg3. Thank me later. Don't just look at peak numbers, because anything past 300whp and torque is tuff to put down. I know that my stg3 is really useless for dragging without slicks. I'm maybe a 350whp and torque, I can't imagine why you would need more. Unless you like spinning your tires in 3rd gear, without trying.
You spin the tires cause you don't have the right set up, like 90% of srt owners, a torqueless honda can spin 205 tires imagine a car putting down over 350wtq.....245/45(DR) would be the best match with 17 inch wheels, then of course three mm, traction bars with the h-brace, coilovers, and trying to reduce as much as you can the center of gravity.....CF hood and trunk, 15 pound battery, and even racing glass on the back will help you with a lower center of gravity, finally but the most important would be a ebc that have control over boost by gear like the avc-r....you don't need 20 psi on first gear to pull a great 60'...the name of the game is traction and a good driver with good torque can accomplish a great 60' with minimal boost in first.
My advise to you is get the 3071r, more power under the curve than s3r, more peak power and more top end, it seems to me that you have all the bolt ons, the spool on 3071r is way before 3000rpm, and pnp head will get you almost similar to s3r.....and the most important, durability...as you seen s3r have been crapping on people; tell me a case of a DDB turbo going bad on a srt.....you see my point.
Ok snowmen you've got my attention. What is avc-r? Is it a mbc or sometype of piggyback computer? I already have an safc2 that my buddy installed.
lets keep the comments coming gentlemen.
avc-r is an electronic boost controller that's capable of being tuned for rpm, and i believe boost-by-gear. basically, it's a top notch boost controller, but requires some major knowledge to really tune it properly and get the "ultimate setup".
the only good thing is it's plug and play.. piggy backs require hacking into harnesses , and tuning/ dynotime .. and usually a wideband to make sure your not melting things..
plus the cost of a s3 kit now is retarded .. you could get a dbb50 trim kit, + piggy back, injectors, and dyno time for less then the cost of s3..
do some research on the reliability of the stage 3 turbos ... you will not be impressed, they are dying at very low mileage .. and cost a fortune to replace, not to mention the cracking manifolds..
buy a cast manifold , atp, agp.. you thank me later ..
I have S3R and I'm very happy with it. Full bolt-on's and you're looking at 117-120 traps, that's no slouch on the top end. You'll have no issues with spool either.
Both are good, but I think Stage 3 is most suitable for auto-x. You don't need a big turbo to auto-x, just good driving, good brakes, and good suspension/tires.
I have S3R and I'm very happy with it. Full bolt-on's and you're looking at 117-120 traps, that's no slouch on the top end. You'll have no issues with spool either.
Both are good, but I think Stage 3 is most suitable for auto-x. You don't need a big turbo to auto-x, just good driving, good brakes, and good suspension/tires.
You are totally right for what you need on auto-x....but the gt3071r will match better...s3r boost hit all at once; the dbb turbo built boost progressively, making it easier on the tires/driver to control.
I have S3R and I'm very happy with it. Full bolt-on's and you're looking at 117-120 traps, that's no slouch on the top end. You'll have no issues with spool either.
Both are good, but I think Stage 3 is most suitable for auto-x. You don't need a big turbo to auto-x, just good driving, good brakes, and good suspension/tires.
You are totally right for what you need on auto-x....but the gt3071r will match better...s3r boost hit all at once; the dbb turbo built boost progressively, making it easier on the tires/driver to control.
If you want a fast spool up you can go with a dbb 50 trim even...it'll still make good numbers anyway you go, and on pump gas and the lower boost levels (vs. race gas) it'll make more power quicker than the GT30 series turbo's... personally i'd go GT3076R but full boost will be about 400-600rpm's higher than S3R... a DBB 50 will be about 100-200rpm's higher than S3R which 100-200 rpm's is honestly almost NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL...you won't notice it...........
On top of all that... the DBB turbo's (GT30 or dbb 50 trim) will hold boost between gears better causing you to touch the gas and have all the power available right away vs. waiting for S3R to respool...not that it takes long but its a couple tenths of a second...and in auto x every tenth counts
DBB Big Turbo FTW!!!
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3071r or mopar stg3/toys
It's fully spooles by 2500, and feels just like the stocker. Except where the stocker left you with a empty feeling in the upper revs, the stg 3 will take care of. It's everything that the stock should be, and isn't, get stg3. Thank me later. Don't just look at peak numbers, because anything past 300whp and torque is tuff to put down. I know that my stg3 is really useless for dragging without slicks. I'm maybe a 350whp and torque, I can't imagine why you would need more.
Unless you like spinning your tires in 3rd gear, without trying.
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