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Old 01-27-2013, 09:27 PM   #61 (permalink)
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I find it strange all these failure have popped up only recently. Mine was the first I saw, even after searching a little, which is why I posted.

After my thread, I have seen them popping up left and right. I almost want to say it's a manufacturing process.

Shadow it is puzzling that the failure is suddenly happening with our cars, when Prothane is an established polyurethane manufacturer. I suggested to Moyeah to return one of the bushing samples to Prothane for inspection.

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Maybe the Chinese cloned the bushings and dumped them on the market. That happened with Walbro fuel pumps a while ago. The cloned fuel pumps would not last like the authentic ones but both were packaged the same and looked the same. Maybe send the failed bushings back to Prothane so they can take a look at them?

I think Moyeah, if I recall our phone conversation, purchased his at Modern Performance. I'm disinclined to think MP purchased a batch of Chinese clone poly bushings.

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Old 01-28-2013, 12:34 AM   #62 (permalink)
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i orderd my set from modern a month ago. installed over the weekend i left the inner collar in and burned the rest of the bushings off the core and there snug and tight and look great.
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Old 01-28-2013, 02:53 AM   #63 (permalink)
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i orderd my set from modern a month ago. installed over the weekend i left the inner collar in and burned the rest of the bushings off the core and there snug and tight and look great.

Any ideas as to why some are failing when the install of the rear position bushings is virtually foolproof?

We gotta get Moyeah all set up.
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Old 01-28-2013, 04:36 AM   #64 (permalink)
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Any ideas as to why some are failing when the install of the rear position bushings is virtually foolproof?

We gotta get Moyeah all set up.

I don't think there a bad batch or anything (could be wrong) my friend has the same bushings as mine and anouter guy in town just did his also. my question is are they using the core that's in the middle of the old bushings. i don't understand why Moyeah's bushings look like that it looks like he didn't use the old core and just stuck the bolt threw the middle and tighten'd everything up.

Moyeah is ur bushings soft or stiff?(that should tell if it's a bad batch or not) mine were tight took a little force i don't see how there backing out like that with the core in there.

I mean if u think about it there so damn snug when ur trying to get back in the brackets there no way that should back out or even move something has to be missing.
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I bought my Prothanes from Summit Racing in May of 2012.
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In this thread, roadrunner58 and JollyGreen swear the aftermarket arms have bushings that are slightly smaller ID than the OE.

Did i do this right???

Didn't Shadow and Moyeah use aftermarket control arms?

Apparently our clueless self proclaimed "expert" knows all about it

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JollyGreen - can you get a few extra pictures of the MOOG and what you were doing with it? Top, side, etc - really quite interesting to see. Esp how the prothanes will and won't fit. I wonder if the Energy suspension items would fit?

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Quote: Originally Posted by ForBidden View Post
my question is are they using the core that's in the middle of the old bushings. i don't understand why Moyeah's bushings look like that it looks like he didn't use the old core and just stuck the bolt threw the middle and tighten'd everything up.

Hopefully no one listened to Valley's foolish,,,uh I mean "expert" advice and knocked out the shell. Who knows, it may have occured during one of this idiot's "private" consoling sessions, where he can't be baby sat.

You can't see it in all of Moyeah pics, but at least one shows the shell is still there, at least on one side of the car.

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I don't think there a bad batch or anything (could be wrong) my friend has the same bushings as mine and anouter guy in town just did his also. my question is are they using the core that's in the middle of the old bushings. i don't understand why Moyeah's bushings look like that it looks like he didn't use the old core and just stuck the bolt threw the middle and tighten'd everything up.

Moyeah is ur bushings soft or stiff?(that should tell if it's a bad batch or not) mine were tight took a little force i don't see how there backing out like that with the core in there.

I mean if u think about it there so damn snug when ur trying to get back in the brackets there no way that should back out or even move something has to be missing.

This missing core may well be the culprit. The likelihood of an incorrect chemical process is somewhat remote for such an established polyurethane supplier. I asked Moyeah to post up some pix. We'll get his comments and photos.
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Hopefully no one listened to Valley's foolish,,,uh I mean "expert" advice and knocked out the shell. Who knows, it may have occured during one of this idiot's "private" consoling sessions, where he can't be baby sat.

You can't see it all of Moyeah pics, but at least one shows the shell is still there.


What a smart ass idiot you are. Such useless comments when everyone else is trying to help.
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All the cases I have seen on here the outer shell was in place, it has a collar toward the bottom of the arm, if some one did chisel it out it would be immediately apparent.
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Quote: Originally Posted by ValleyRacer View Post
This missing core may well be the culprit

You have twice now suggested that the "core/shell/collar" be removed. Which is not only incorrect but potentially reckless.

Everyone who owns an SRT-4 needs to know that your expertise does NOT extend past you taking pictures of someone else working on your car 1.5 years ago.

Your baseless opinions just add confusion and should be categorically ignored

I'd consider that very helpful.,,you're welcome
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Didn't Shadow and Moyeah use aftermarket control arms?

Nope, BRAND NEW MOPAR arms.

I would have sent my 1st set in to Prothane, but I was so pissed that I just threw them out and proceeded to install the 2nd set that Modern Performance had sent me.
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Nope, BRAND NEW MOPAR arms.I would have sent my 1st set in to Prothane, but I was so pissed that I just threw them out and proceeded to install the 2nd set that Modern Performance had sent me.

Mopar parts aren't always identical to factory. Mopar often changes vendors after the car ceases production. I sold parts at the Dodge dealer for over 5 years and this happened all the time.

2nd set just as bad?
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That LCAs are not aftermarket as I used the same ones that came with the car(not the original owner though). The outside collar or shell is still in the arms and I did put the metal insert through the bushings.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Moyeah View Post
That LCAs are not aftermarket as I used the same ones that came with the car(not the original owner though). The outside collar or shell is still in the arms and I did put the metal insert through the bushings.

Get a measurement on the ID and I can compare it to the old OE set I have, just for reference.

No silly noob pics or vids required
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