why we hold human life sacred - SRT Forums

Tex · 07-01-2008, 12:53 AM

CNN was discussing indictment of Joe Horn and the castle laws, which got me thinking. I decided to do a little reading and came up with some distrubing things.

The little old man from Pasadena gunned down two men like dogs. For a bag of loot.

Perhaps just as important, has the law changed people's perceptions about fighting back? Are they more likely to shoot first even when safe retreat may be an option?

In practical terms, Ms. McCartney said, there doesn't even need to be an explicit threat of attack to justify a shooting over property. In several local cases, she said, property owners didn't appear to be in any danger, yet shot and killed unarmed intruders.

"I find that shocking – killing people over things," she said. "The question you have to ask is: Does the punishment fit the crime?

"People don't get the death penalty for breaking and entering. Defending your family, defending yourself against someone who is armed is one thing. But now it's like we don't need to call the police anymore."

why, if you are in your own home, is "safe retreat" even something that needs to be brought up? look, you are home, in YOUR private space. nothing is more sacred than a home.

Emmanual Levinas, french phenomenologist, describes the home as "FOr it does indeed belong to the ear consisting of things necessary for the life of man. it serves to shelter him from the incemencies of the weather, ot hide him from enemies or the importunate. and yet, within the system of finalities in which human life maintains itself the home occupies a privledged place."

your home is the LARGEST investment you will ever make. it is your refuge, it is the one thing that should make you feel safe and comfortable. when someone breaks into your home, they are not there to be nice or help you out. they are there to steal what you have worked so hard to have. they are there to steal a part of you, to steal you yourself.

these liberals want to take away the right you have to protect your property. the idea that someone is breaking into your house to steal something but you cant do anything to protect yourself (no use of force) unless they are armed or you are put in imminent danger is just foolish. its obvious they [criminals] have no concern for your well being and they are entering into your soverign property to take what you work for. they are not there to be nice, they are not there to clean your house. they are there to steal who you are and what you have. how can you honestly think that you, as a home owner, dont have a right to protect yourself ANYTIME someone breaks into your house? I just dont get it

As a Harris County grand jury resumed hearing testimony today in the case of Pasadena resident Joe Horn, a community activist came to the downtown criminal courthouse with the former fiancee of one of the suspected burglars Horn killed.

Quanell X said he brought Stephanie Storey in his effort to make sure that Horn is indicted for the Nov. 14 shootings. A woman whom he identified as the widow of the other man also was there, and the three left together a short time later.

Storey has said she was the fiancee of Hernando Riascos Torres, whom Horn shot along with Diego Ortiz after confronting them outside a neighbor's house.

The shooting took place in the 7400 block of Timberline.

Quanell X advised Storey not to comment to the media. He said Storey has not been invited to appear before the grand jury, but that he wanted to make her available to the panel.

He did not say how he thought her testimony could benefit the investigation into the shooting.

The activist added that, if grand jurors decide not to indict Horn, they will be sending a message to the nation "that Houston is the wild, wild West."

If Horn is not indicted, Quanell X said, he will lead a protest march that begins at Horn's home.

Horn shot the two men with a 12-gauge shotgun after reporting to a 911 operator that he had heard glass breaking at his neighbor's home. The operator instructed him not to confront the men, saying police were on the way, but Horn went outside.

Moments later, he was recorded on the 911 tape saying, "Move and you're dead." Gunshots then were heard.

Ortiz, 30, and Torres, 38, who were unemployed illegal immigrants from Colombia, died at the scene.

Police said both were shot in the back as one moved toward Horn and then angled to the curb, while the other fled in the opposite direction.

Horn's attorney, Tom Lambright, said recently that the 62-year-old retiree probably would testify before the grand jury if he is invited.

so these two illegal immigrants were stealing, busted, and shot. the wife of one (illegal as well??? if her husband was illegal odds are she is too) and the finance of the other are protesting because their criminal lovers were killed? they are angry about him shooting these criminals even though they stole mr horn's neighbors property. they are protesting because these criminals were shot. they are claiming that the punishment didnt fit the crime, but they neglect to look at the simple fact that these two were criminals killed committing a crime.

how is it that criminals deserve to have their rights but us law abiding citizens cant protect our rights? why do criminals have more rights than us? some say that the punishment doesnt fit the crime, and therefore you should let someone walk away with your goods. i say that the punishment doesnt need to fit the crime, that the entire nature of punishment is that it is suppose to be a deterrent to committing the crime. if more burglars get shot doing the crime less burglaries will happen.

many people will come back with saying "well if we shoot speeders less people will speed". sure, but speeding and steeling what people work hard for and own are different. speeding doesnt hurt anyone (barring wreckless driving, racing, etc). burglary doesnt just cost you the physical fiscal loss, but it hurts the psyche of the people who are suppose to feel safe in their home. just ask someone who has been robbed. we dont shoot speeders, but we give them $400 fines for going 10 or 15 miles per hour faster than the limit. it prevents us from speeding very well.

Vooduguru · 07-01-2008, 01:02 AM

Welcome to Obamas world.

Tex · 07-01-2008, 01:11 AM

i am just confused. afterall our property is apart of us. its what you work for. you put yourself in your work, so each and everything you own is apart of you. if someone wants to steal that, they are stealing parts of you.

if a theif has no regard for your property, which we have already described as a part of you, then they have no regard for you. if they have no regard for you, why should we have any regard for them?

further, i have a right to defend myself. further, we, as stated above, recognize that property is apart of us, so why shouldnt i have full rights to defend my property?

similarly, i have a right to defend my neighbor if he gets into a problem. if someone tries to kill him, i can step in and save his life. if his property is apart of him, like mine is me, it would be unethical for me to not step in and protect his goods.

ILLJIM69 · 07-01-2008, 05:41 AM

i think every home owner should have the right to defend his life and property. if you set foot on someone else's property, well sorry for you.

hell, i am not even above shooting at some asshole using my driveway as a turn around point. learn to make a 3 point turn asshole!

but yeah, the joe horn thing is retarded. he was totally justified and the only reason it got coverage was because he was white and the criminals weren't.

jim

thewrx · 07-01-2008, 05:54 AM

Joe Horn was not indited by the grand jury. Heard it on the news this morning.

ILLJIM69 · 07-01-2008, 06:00 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by thewrx

Joe Horn was not indited by the grand jury. Heard it on the news this morning.

that dude should get a fucking medal!

one of the robbers was a fucking illegal too wasn't he?

jim

master_1011 · 07-01-2008, 06:19 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by ILLJIM69

that dude should get a fucking medal!

one of the robbers was a fucking illegal too wasn't he?

jim

Both of them were, actually.

ILLJIM69 · 07-01-2008, 06:23 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by master_1011

Both of them were, actually.

BOOOOYAH!

thats like, four birds with one stone.........or something like that.

jim

smoger · 07-01-2008, 07:49 AM

excuse me for my ignorance, havent been following this case, but didnt he shoot those guys coming out of his neighbors house?

im just confused what that has to do with someone coming into your house, as that's mentioned in the original post..