The Iraqis are blaming the US for Monday's suicide bombings that have killed as many as 200 people, citing poor security. These are the same people that threw stones and burned American flags when the original security plan, which called for GI's and Iraqi police mixed in with the crowd and standing gaurd at significant religious schrines, was leaked to the papers by the Iraqi Governing Council last month. We can't win. We're damned if we do and we're damned if we don't. Time to get the hell out of that shithole of a country - not because the occupation is a failure, but because those fucking people...saint, sinner, Imam, Cleric, or all of the above...aren't worth another American life. The more I see, hear, and understand the Iraqi culture and attitude, the more I feel those people are perfectly suited for the hand they were dealt. I have no hope for that part of the world because its people seem to naturally gravitate towards hopelessness.
I tend to agree. These people were raised around hate. That's all they will ever know, and I don't see it changing anytime soon. I think we are fighting a losing battle when it come to turning their country around. I hate the idea of sitting back and letting them destroy themselves, but I don't think there's anything we can do to help.
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It's always the same thing when they protest...yes to Allah, no to America, no to Israel. What in the fucking fuck does Israel have to do with anything? Every time it's the Jews. It almost makes me laugh because it's so predictable. Like Israel is sitting there going "my bad...sorry about that"
The only thing these toothless 3rd world morons can agree on is who they hate. They are so indoctrinated by the years of propaganda and multiple generations of hate that the rest of mankind has left them behind. I feel sorry for the women and children but then I think...these children are being taught that Jews are bad before they're even potty-trained. And now it seems there are just as many women as men who blow themselves up in these suicide bombings...mothers too. Fuck the women and children too. They've already begun rotting from the inside out. Their minds have already been tainted. And they wonder why every time American bombs fall they land on Muslim soil. How can I have hope for a part of the world that sits on a giant ocean of black gold but has yet to get their shit together? It's just so damn ironic. It's like the middle east is the "variable" petri dish in God's 6th grade science experiment.
I'll tell you one thing...the Arabs nations better pray to Allah that there's peace in the middle east before that oil runs out (or we find an alternative energy source) because once it does the rest of the modern world won't give so much as a rat's ass about their well being. Only then will they finally stop crying for the UN and blaming the Jews for their problems.
The reason they have been raised around so much hate started with us. Right after world war 2 the winners divvied up the middle east as they saw fit, into states and principalities that made "sense" for economic reasons. They threw ethnic groups together that had never lived in any sort of association before and called them a "state." That's why we get this shit with the Shiites and the Suunis (possibly spelled wrong) Hell they just plain took away Palestine. As if that wasn't bad enough we contributed money and arms to such people as Osama bin Laden, to help him kick the commies out of Afghanistan, and Saddam Hussein, to help him beat down on a regime we didn't like (rather like his own( until he was captured) regime actually, in my personal opinon the Iraqi governing council members of today are the Saddam Husseins of tomorrow). Then we went in during the gulf war and screwed up large portions of Iraq, but didn't get Hussein for some unfathomable reason ( bush the younger is an idiot just like his father ). Basically what I'm saying is we have fucked the middle east up badly since the 1950's and now we're starting a whole new round of fucking around in places we don't belong ( Iraq and Haiti for example). Basically this is our mess, we have to clean it up. Actually on second thought it's bushy's mess. Him and the rest of his cabinet, except Colin Powell who I still have a small shred of respect for, and those Haliburton cocksuckers should go and ppick up the pieces their damn selves. That all said I do partially agree that the middle eastern culture has evolved into a rather hopeless mess. Fanatiscism and extremism are certaintly present in our country but nowhere near to the extent as in the ME. For many middle easterners there is no turning back in my opinion, they're to fucked up and deluged with hate on all sides, from America, from Hammas, Al Quaeda you name it, they are hopeless. But not all middle eastern people are that way.
And we didn't make the region what it was guys.. you watch too much CNN. We certainly don't help when we send money to Israel but that region has been unstable for millenia. I'm not going to get into it but check out that little incident when Israel was attacked by all its neighbors (helplessly outnumbered) and WON. In return for their neighbor's betrayal they re-drew the borders as they are now, significantly expanding their own territory. You can blame Israel or the United States but you need to do more homework.
Everyone likes the simple answer or wants to blame someone... everyone in that region is responsible. The only thing holding it together as it is right now is oil - beyond that even the countries that hate us and Israel hate each other.
Right after world war 2 the winners divvied up the middle east as they saw fit, into states and principalities that made "sense" for economic reasons. They threw ethnic groups together that had never lived in any sort of association before and called them a "state."
Uhh yeah that’s what happens when you conquer a place. If they had won a war then they could divvy it up. But that didn’t happen, did it. Do you think it would be better if they won and did all the divvying up? They would probably execute and "ethnic cleanse" anyone that is not like themselves much like Germany tried to do.
That’s what war is all about. When you lose, you are fucked. If the Palestine’s had won then they wouldn’t have this problem now would they. The thing is they lost! Well that’s just too fucking bad. Again that’s kinda the deal when you don't win. You don’t get to make the stipulations after you surrender. Geez its not really rocket science.
In the real world there are always going to be “winners” and “losers”. Just be happy we are the winners.
And another mistake he made was blaming Bush for not finishing the job. Bush WANTED to. The UN and our lovely Democratic party was pressuring him to stop short. He did and now he's an idiot for listening to them. And again messing around in Haiti...guess who pressured George Bush into putting meddling down there in the first place back in the 90s....the DEMOCRATS. Guess who is pressuring America to go back in there now...the UN.
As said previously about another topic but applies to US foreign policy across the board...damned if you do. Damned if you don't.
Anyway...I agree with Steiner and I'll be so damn glad when we are able to ween ourselves and the rest of the modern world off of gasoline and oil. It's ridiculous such a hotbed of irrational hateful people have the world by the throat and demand such an inordinate amount of attention simply because they were born on top of a bunch of fossil fuel. But expect America and the West to get the blame for that as well when they stop having so much money and influence due to their fuel and the western world gives them a collective go F yourselves. They think they are oppressed and have it bad now I can't imagine how they'll twist the world not needing their oil anymore into some great Satan motivated conspiracy against Islam.
Saudi extremist: Leave the holy lands of Islam you filthy infidels!
Saudi extremist after all the money dries up and they are reduced to sub African levels of poverty: Filthy infidels! Buy our gasoline we need more money to support our terror groups! You are evil because you find new fuels and don't give us money to kill you with! I spit on you and slap you with my shoe! Allah Ackbar!
If there was never an Israel, never an America, and never a World War II there would still be Jews and Arabs hating and killing each other in the middle east. They've been there before us and they'll be there long after us. Keep in mind that the Lebanese, Syrians and Jordanians have killed far more Palestinians than the Israeli army. The Arab world claims to sympathize with the plight of the Palestinians on Al Jazeera, but when the cameras are off they turn back the Palestinian refugees at their border with brutal violence.
None of this has to do with anything though. Whether it's a valid complaint or not, the nations of the middle east need to start embracing the present rather than continuing to relive the hatreds of the past. France can't afford to hold grudges with Germany for attacking it twice in the 20th century and essentially destroying 2 entire generations of young French men. Russia doesn't have the luxury to severe ties with Japan because the two nations went to war twice in the last 100 years. Hell, Georgia doesn't have time to be pissed at Rhode Island even though plenty of Rhode Islanders and Georgians fought and killed each other in the Civil War less than 150 years ago. You gotta deal with the present above all else. Acknowledge the mistakes of the past or you're doomed to repeat them, but don't dwell on the things you can't control...like history. The middle east needs to join the rest of mankind or they'll be history too in not too long.
Thanks SRT_USAF. I've noticed that too. I wish I could be more optimistic for that part of the world but it seems like it's always 1 step forward 2 steps back. The Iraqi governing council was only hours away from ratifying the first draft of a new Constitution before all this happened. After the bombings they immediately set aside the next three days for national mourning. Right or wrong, that was a major victory for the terrorists because they delayed an historic occasion...that new constitution would have been the very first democratic document to ever be written into law in a Muslim nation. Apparently Afganistan's new constitution is still being worked on.
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). Basically what I'm saying is we have fucked the middle east up badly since the 1950's and now we're starting a whole new round of fucking around in places we don't belong ( Iraq and Haiti for example). Basically this is our mess, we have to clean it up. Actually on second thought it's bushy's mess. Him and the rest of his cabinet, except Colin Powell who I still have a small shred of respect for, and those Haliburton cocksuckers should go and ppick up the pieces their damn selves. That all said I do partially agree that the middle eastern culture has evolved into a rather hopeless mess. Fanatiscism and extremism are certaintly present in our country but nowhere near to the extent as in the ME. For many middle easterners there is no turning back in my opinion, they're to fucked up and deluged with hate on all sides, from America, from Hammas, Al Quaeda you name it, they are hopeless. But not all middle eastern people are that way.
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