The Next SRT-4? Dodge Dart - Page 74 - SRT Forums

Slammed0 · 12-22-2012, 11:12 AM

See, the gadgets are the things I am interested in seeing what SRT does with. I think the Cobalt had the option of coming from the factory with traction control (which isn't this just a factory 2-step), wideband, and WOT box (no shift lift). I think it would be great to have those things ready in my SRT Dart if I was to buy one.

And how about turbo size? Will SRT bolt up a nice size turbo? Again, back to Chevy, I believe I have read that Cobalt owners could see around 400whp off a stock turbo. Correct me if I am wrong please. I don't want mixed facts.

Also, edub20, I love your signature! That video cracks me up!! LOL

blackbird_R/T · 12-22-2012, 12:38 PM

The stock BorgWarner K04 in the '08+ Cobalt SS Turbo will flow around low to mid-300 whp range and if you really push it spike up enr 400 ft-lbs. of torque. The stock fuel system with just an aftermarket tune/calibration increasing rail pressure can support around 500 whp or more on race gas depending on the turbo.

enginjoe · 12-22-2012, 01:07 PM

I dyno'd right after a local cobalt SS with a BNR 2871R (kind of a hybrid k04/2871 turbo thingy) and E85 at a local event on a mustang dyno. He made 393whp/427wtq and I did 442whp/491wtq with my setup on stock motor at ~25psi. That's the highest hp fastest cobalt I've ever seen. I don't remember what he had to do with the fuel setup, some kind of thing that raises the fuel pressure or something.

friend088 · 12-22-2012, 05:00 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by ENapa

Would be strange to have a fwd and awd version. For a vehicle that would probably limited production it wouldnt make much sense.

I agree. I will believe there is an AWD version when I hear it from Dodge/SRT themselves, no one else.

enginjoe · 12-22-2012, 11:16 PM

We're just dreaming and hoping here! Gosh! Like a cold bucket of water...

igotboost05 · 12-25-2012, 04:14 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by brokestatus

And this is why the dart srt won't be able to compete in the FWD platform. Whether anybody likes to admit it or not, 500 lbs is no joke.

Anybody ever heard that you slow down .1 per 100lbs.? So 500lbs would be .5 slower. Ouch. hopefully the D-SRT wil have 300+hp to make up for the weight.

Quote: Originally Posted by enginjoe

We're just dreaming and hoping here! Gosh! Like a cold bucket of water...

Agreed. i keep bugging my local dealership about ANY news...if the D-SRT WERE to even be out this summer, we would have to have heard something by now. you can't just plan to make 10,000+ cars appear in less than 6 months without anybody leaking the info.

stowaway · 12-25-2012, 04:36 PM

500lbs is still overstating things. Most srt-4s will hit the scales right around 3100lbs with only a driver. The dart should end up maybe 350-400lbs heavier at most, but more aerodynamic and with better traction, so with an equal whp we may see a 14 flat with the expected HP increase being mid 13s for a fwd setup. I dont see a way, unless bean counters really interfere, that the SRT team releases the car with a step down in performance, especially after the reviews the caliber got.

**glhs837** · 12-26-2012, 10:46 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by igotboost05

Anybody ever heard that you slow down .1 per 100lbs.? So 500lbs would be .5 slower. Ouch. hopefully the D-SRT wil have 300+hp to make up for the weight.

Agreed. i keep bugging my local dealership about ANY news...if the D-SRT WERE to even be out this summer, we would have to have heard something by now. you can't just plan to make 10,000+ cars appear in less than 6 months without anybody leaking the info.

I would suggest cleaning the trash cans at the local park as not only more a socially rewarding way to spend that time, but also as about 235,353,253,523 times more likely to result in solid accurate information on the new car.

igotboost05 · 12-26-2012, 03:35 PM

^^lol

tanker19kilo · 12-26-2012, 03:47 PM

My buddy that was in the Army with me now works on the assembly line in the Belvidere, Illinois plant. That's where the Darts are made. They still don't have any info on the SRT Model. Trust me, if he knew he would send me pics and info.

suzq044 · 12-26-2012, 10:46 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by glhs837

I would suggest cleaning the trash cans at the local park as not only more a socially rewarding way to spend that time, but also as about 235,353,253,523 times more likely to result in solid accurate information on the new car.

lol, thats one way to put it..

brokestatus · 12-27-2012, 09:46 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by stowaway

500lbs is still overstating things. Most srt-4s will hit the scales right around 3100lbs with only a driver. The dart should end up maybe 350-400lbs heavier at most, but more aerodynamic and with better traction, so with an equal whp we may see a 14 flat with the expected HP increase being mid 13s for a fwd setup. I dont see a way, unless bean counters really interfere, that the SRT team releases the car with a step down in performance, especially after the reviews the caliber got.

Honestly, with Fiat taking over and giving the SRT team room to grow I don't see much penny pinching going on in the future.

toasteroven · 12-29-2012, 12:05 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by tanker19kilo

My buddy that was in the Army with me now works on the assembly line in the Belvidere, Illinois plant. That's where the Darts are made. They still don't have any info on the SRT Model. Trust me, if he knew he would send me pics and info.

You mean, if he wanted to be fired for breach of an NDA.

**Vipercar93** · 12-29-2012, 01:39 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by toasteroven

You mean, if he wanted to be fired for breach of an NDA.

By the time the car hits the factory floor NDA's are pretty mute. The whole supply chain knows about the car...

toasteroven · 12-30-2012, 12:08 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by Vipercar93

By the time the car hits the factory floor NDA's are pretty mute. The whole supply chain knows about the car...

Supply chain is under NDA as well.

I'm not saying leaks can (and do) happen, but I'm saying we're not going to be seeing iPhone photos off the production line except from the sanctioned tours for the public.

12-22-2012, 11:12 AM	#1096 (permalink)
Slammed0 SRTforums Member Join Date: May 2008 Member Number: 64344 Location: Boise, ID Posts: 1,251	See, the gadgets are the things I am interested in seeing what SRT does with. I think the Cobalt had the option of coming from the factory with traction control (which isn't this just a factory 2-step), wideband, and WOT box (no shift lift). I think it would be great to have those things ready in my SRT Dart if I was to buy one. And how about turbo size? Will SRT bolt up a nice size turbo? Again, back to Chevy, I believe I have read that Cobalt owners could see around 400whp off a stock turbo. Correct me if I am wrong please. I don't want mixed facts. Also, edub20, I love your signature! That video cracks me up!! LOL __________________ Injen intake, 3'' TBE, DSP 93 Tune, Fuel Pump Rewire, BFMIC, Granatelli wires, Mopar Rice Plate, 3 bar sensors, Meth injection. Pretty much stock!! Last edited by Slammed0; 12-22-2012 at 11:15 AM.

12-22-2012, 12:38 PM	#1097 (permalink)
blackbird_R/T SRTforums Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Member Number: 5369 Location: Temecula, CA Posts: 6,678	The stock BorgWarner K04 in the '08+ Cobalt SS Turbo will flow around low to mid-300 whp range and if you really push it spike up enr 400 ft-lbs. of torque. The stock fuel system with just an aftermarket tune/calibration increasing rail pressure can support around 500 whp or more on race gas depending on the turbo. __________________ Eric H. ---->- ----- '04 Neon SRT-4 (eBlue/S2) '92 Dodge Daytona IROC R/T --- -- '91 Dodge Spirit R/T plus a couple other turbo Dodges, a Cobalt, a few Focus, and some other stuff...

12-22-2012, 01:07 PM	#1098 (permalink)
enginjoe SRTforums Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Member Number: 3797 Location: Tucson Posts: 5,052	I dyno'd right after a local cobalt SS with a BNR 2871R (kind of a hybrid k04/2871 turbo thingy) and E85 at a local event on a mustang dyno. He made 393whp/427wtq and I did 442whp/491wtq with my setup on stock motor at ~25psi. That's the highest hp fastest cobalt I've ever seen. I don't remember what he had to do with the fuel setup, some kind of thing that raises the fuel pressure or something. __________________ 2003 SRT-4 Silver, AGP GT3076R on E85 DD! Was 478hp/508tq ----> Now ??? 2002 Camaro SS M6, going N/A...

12-22-2012, 05:00 PM	#1099 (permalink)
friend088 Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2007 Member Number: 52654 Location: Tampa Bay, FL Posts: 23,040	Quote: Originally Posted by ENapa Would be strange to have a fwd and awd version. For a vehicle that would probably limited production it wouldnt make much sense. I agree. I will believe there is an AWD version when I hear it from Dodge/SRT themselves, no one else. __________________ Join us for the world's largest SRT-4 PARTY! 2013 5th Annual SRT-4 Showdown 10.20.13 Expected attendance: 150 SRT-4s https://sites.google.com/site/2013srt4showdown/

12-22-2012, 11:16 PM	#1100 (permalink)
enginjoe SRTforums Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Member Number: 3797 Location: Tucson Posts: 5,052	We're just dreaming and hoping here! Gosh! Like a cold bucket of water... __________________ 2003 SRT-4 Silver, AGP GT3076R on E85 DD! Was 478hp/508tq ----> Now ??? 2002 Camaro SS M6, going N/A...

12-25-2012, 04:14 PM	#1101 (permalink)
igotboost05 SRTforums Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Member Number: 47138 Location: Carolina Posts: 385	Quote: Originally Posted by brokestatus And this is why the dart srt won't be able to compete in the FWD platform. Whether anybody likes to admit it or not, 500 lbs is no joke. Anybody ever heard that you slow down .1 per 100lbs.? So 500lbs would be .5 slower. Ouch. hopefully the D-SRT wil have 300+hp to make up for the weight. Quote: Originally Posted by enginjoe We're just dreaming and hoping here! Gosh! Like a cold bucket of water... Agreed. i keep bugging my local dealership about ANY news...if the D-SRT WERE to even be out this summer, we would have to have heard something by now. you can't just plan to make 10,000+ cars appear in less than 6 months without anybody leaking the info. __________________ DUSTER360 is good help. F the haters. Last edited by igotboost05; 12-25-2012 at 04:22 PM.

12-25-2012, 04:36 PM	#1102 (permalink)
stowaway SRTforums Admin Join Date: Aug 2003 Member Number: 3286 Location: Outer Banks, NC Posts: 40,122	500lbs is still overstating things. Most srt-4s will hit the scales right around 3100lbs with only a driver. The dart should end up maybe 350-400lbs heavier at most, but more aerodynamic and with better traction, so with an equal whp we may see a 14 flat with the expected HP increase being mid 13s for a fwd setup. I dont see a way, unless bean counters really interfere, that the SRT team releases the car with a step down in performance, especially after the reviews the caliber got. __________________

12-26-2012, 10:46 AM	#1103 (permalink)
glhs837 Premium Member (Lifetime) Join Date: Feb 2003 Member Number: 215 Location: So. Maryland Posts: 14,797	Quote: Originally Posted by igotboost05 Anybody ever heard that you slow down .1 per 100lbs.? So 500lbs would be .5 slower. Ouch. hopefully the D-SRT wil have 300+hp to make up for the weight. Agreed. i keep bugging my local dealership about ANY news...if the D-SRT WERE to even be out this summer, we would have to have heard something by now. you can't just plan to make 10,000+ cars appear in less than 6 months without anybody leaking the info. I would suggest cleaning the trash cans at the local park as not only more a socially rewarding way to spend that time, but also as about 235,353,253,523 times more likely to result in solid accurate information on the new car. __________________ I used to own one of the first SRT-4s sold, bought it new in Feb 2003, sold it Nov 2006 with 75K and Stage 3. Now I drive a 2006 SRT-8 Charger.

12-26-2012, 03:35 PM	#1104 (permalink)
igotboost05 SRTforums Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Member Number: 47138 Location: Carolina Posts: 385	^^lol __________________ DUSTER360 is good help. F the haters.

12-26-2012, 03:47 PM	#1105 (permalink)
tanker19kilo SRTforums Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Member Number: 29696 Location: Cypress, Texas Posts: 2,048	My buddy that was in the Army with me now works on the assembly line in the Belvidere, Illinois plant. That's where the Darts are made. They still don't have any info on the SRT Model. Trust me, if he knew he would send me pics and info. __________________ Contact Darksyde for all your powder coating and DevilsOwn Meth needs! Now offering hydro dipping!

12-26-2012, 10:46 PM	#1106 (permalink)
suzq044 SRTforums Photoshop Expert Join Date: Jun 2003 Member Number: 1660 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,270	Quote: Originally Posted by glhs837 I would suggest cleaning the trash cans at the local park as not only more a socially rewarding way to spend that time, but also as about 235,353,253,523 times more likely to result in solid accurate information on the new car. lol, thats one way to put it.. __________________ Won a Dodge Dart. It's MINE nao!

12-27-2012, 09:46 PM	#1107 (permalink)
brokestatus SRTforums Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Member Number: 85142 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 867	Quote: Originally Posted by stowaway 500lbs is still overstating things. Most srt-4s will hit the scales right around 3100lbs with only a driver. The dart should end up maybe 350-400lbs heavier at most, but more aerodynamic and with better traction, so with an equal whp we may see a 14 flat with the expected HP increase being mid 13s for a fwd setup. I dont see a way, unless bean counters really interfere, that the SRT team releases the car with a step down in performance, especially after the reviews the caliber got. Honestly, with Fiat taking over and giving the SRT team room to grow I don't see much penny pinching going on in the future. __________________ Quote: Originally Posted by sphipps I have no idea how I was conceived...so in fact my mom could have snowballed with another chick and she could have went down on my mom. Quote: Originally Posted by mathew Who needs to be flashy when your fast.

12-29-2012, 12:05 AM	#1108 (permalink)
toasteroven SRTforums Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Member Number: 7373 Location: Up North, eh! Posts: 4,422	Quote: Originally Posted by tanker19kilo My buddy that was in the Army with me now works on the assembly line in the Belvidere, Illinois plant. That's where the Darts are made. They still don't have any info on the SRT Model. Trust me, if he knew he would send me pics and info. You mean, if he wanted to be fired for breach of an NDA. __________________ *"This car is 100% shts and giggles." "Speed has never killed anyone. Suddenly becoming stationary... that's what gets you."** Jeremy Clarkson SRT-4 to SRT8, SRT-4 Production Epitaph, Canadian SRT-4 Registry

12-29-2012, 01:39 AM	#1109 (permalink)
Vipercar93 Premium Member (Lifetime) Join Date: Feb 2005 Member Number: 24404 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 2,332	Quote: Originally Posted by toasteroven You mean, if he wanted to be fired for breach of an NDA. By the time the car hits the factory floor NDA's are pretty mute. The whole supply chain knows about the car... __________________ Totally Stock down to the KDW's... Best 1/4 Time 13.771 @ 101.2 MPH 2.113 60ft.

12-30-2012, 12:08 AM	#1110 (permalink)
toasteroven SRTforums Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Member Number: 7373 Location: Up North, eh! Posts: 4,422	Quote: Originally Posted by Vipercar93 By the time the car hits the factory floor NDA's are pretty mute. The whole supply chain knows about the car... Supply chain is under NDA as well. I'm not saying leaks can (and do) happen, but I'm saying we're not going to be seeing iPhone photos off the production line except from the sanctioned tours for the public. __________________ *"This car is 100% shts and giggles." "Speed has never killed anyone. Suddenly becoming stationary... that's what gets you."** Jeremy Clarkson SRT-4 to SRT8, SRT-4 Production Epitaph, Canadian SRT-4 Registry

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