The Next SRT-4? Dodge Dart - Page 5 - SRT Forums

A-Town SRT · 12-15-2011, 10:03 PM

I think if Dodge wanted to they could build an AWD, but like I said before it would be way too expensive, especially if the drive train needs to withstand 300hp/tq+ (desired range). Also I doubt SRT will put their name on anything that can't exceed the performance numbers the vehicle is being marketed at, they know people will mod it and Mopar can supply the parts (more money). For example an AWD car like a 2005 STI was ~ $30k brand new along with the Evo, now that was almost seven years ago. With inflation you can expect the price of a similar type of vehicle today to rise significantly. Your looking at close to $40K and most people aren't going to pay that much because today even a $30k car is still pricey for that particular buyers market. To be a sucess the car will have to be FWD to cut down on costs and at the same time maintain the same level of reliability/performance that the original SRT4 did, all while being relatively affordable.

toasteroven · 12-15-2011, 10:12 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by jesus_ralliart

my parents love hyundais and brought me a booklet from the dealer thinking id be interested. i also saw the car at the autoshow a couple months ago. looks wise and gizmos wise.... great. power wise

Re-read what I said.

Quote: Originally Posted by toasteroven

turbo Velosters.

How's about 220+hp in a car that weighs 300lbs less than an SRT-4 sound? Still asleep?

SRT had better be paying attention to cars like that. That's their competition. Not AWD Ralliarts and WRXs. If that is their market, it had better have the power and gadgets and luxury, otherwise, why wouldn't you buy a WRX for the same money?

blackbird_R/T · 12-15-2011, 11:08 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by toasteroven

I have a sinking sensation they're going to load the SRT4 up with technology and luxury, and sell it at a stupid price. And then wonder why everyone is buying turbo Velosters.

On the Focus forums a lot of people were compaling about how Ford would probably heavily mark up the turbocharged Focus ST saying its going to be priced at $30k, run as much as an Evo or STI, etc., but a member actually wrote and got a reply from Alan Mulally (Ford's CEO) who pretty much confirmed what the more realistic people were thinking in that it will start at around $24k and top out near $30 fully loaded. I'm hoping a front drive SRT-4 Dart would be the same. Keep the entry level price $23-25k and offer options if people want to load it up.

Slow04Cobra · 12-15-2011, 11:19 PM

It's pretty sweet; I'd drive it!

acrbill · 12-18-2011, 04:07 PM

I will definitely be looking at an SRT-4 version if it ever comes out. I bet it comes real close to 30K with a bunch of options that can tip it over that mark. Car prices have gone nuts in the past few years. I bought a new Expedition in 2007 that MSRPd at $31k. Optioned the same it would cost me $39k for a 2011. My 2011 Mustang MSRPd north of $37k without navi.

**Zenkat** · 12-20-2011, 02:44 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by toasteroven

Re-read what I said.

How's about 220+hp in a car that weighs 300lbs less than an SRT-4 sound? Still asleep?

SRT had better be paying attention to cars like that. That's their competition. Not AWD Ralliarts and WRXs. If that is their market, it had better have the power and gadgets and luxury, otherwise, why wouldn't you buy a WRX for the same money?

Everything i see says 204-210 hp, and with all the bells and whistles (which i assume a top of the line turbo model would have), will probably weigh in around 2800 (unless they purposely strip it down?). The top of the line automatic veloster already weighs 2800. Stock SRT's weigh just under 2900.

I can see it being a low 14's car out of the box.
Also interested to see what a 3000lb 247hp Focus ST will do by comparison.

Slammed0 · 12-28-2011, 11:08 AM

Hmmmm, very interesting. I like the car at most angles, but the overall shape of the car in some of the spy shots left a little to be desired for me. I suppose I will have to wait it out and see the real things when it gets released.

And, of course like 99& of you, I am VERY curious to see if/what the SRT version will offer.

RacingShoeBox · 12-29-2011, 01:28 PM

uhhhhhhhhh again why would they make a1.8 turbo when they STILL HAVE the 2.4t from the caliber in their hands to throw in it?

confirmed dart motors
eco model = 1.8t
base model = 2.0
R/T model = 2.4
SRT model = ? (pssstttt !=! 2.4t lay down your money)

expect 270-300hp from factory for the srt-4

enginjoe · 01-03-2012, 09:35 PM

Let's hope so...

cjelley · 01-03-2012, 10:05 PM

not feeling it...how much can you really do with a 1.4L anyways?

veritas · 01-04-2012, 12:06 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by cjelley

not feeling it...how much can you really do with a 1.4L anyways?

Who cares? That engine won't be in the predicted SRT version.

SRT4Quagmire · 01-05-2012, 10:33 AM

Hmmmm, I would buy one of these ugly beasts... if it were half as cool as my SRT-4.

RacingShoeBox · 01-05-2012, 01:14 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by veritas

Who cares? That engine won't be in the predicted SRT version.

i think each page so far has people saying OMGDZ DUH FUK WHY 1.4lt!??!!

im done explaining it

rebellionyst · 01-05-2012, 03:43 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by Slowryd

hmm the Looks like it will be 6 speed, turbo engine comes from fiat 500 Abarth, body style is based off a Alfa Romeo Giulietta, still fwd ....

2013 Dodge Dart | Price, release date, specs, pics, concept

The 2013 Dart rides on an Americanized (lengthened and widened) platform adapted from Fiat's well-regarded and high-style European Alfa Romeo Giulietta. Dodge also makes claims about "materials and precision craftsmanship typically found in more expensive vehicle segments" while also highlighting the fact that it will offer "thousands of ways to personalize" the compact model through a choice of 12 exterior colors, 14 interior color and trim combinations, six wheel options, three engine options and three transmissions.

I like, 8.4 inch touchscreen HUD

I like 7 IN dash navigation

Holy hell, who wrote that article, a monkey with a Speak and Spell?

I'm interested to see how the spy shots compare to the live reveal. A 2.4T MultiAir is going to be interesting to tune. Hopefully Dodge makes this an SRT worth saving up for.

RacingShoeBox · 01-06-2012, 07:03 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by rebellionyst

Holy hell, who wrote that article, a monkey with a Speak and Spell?

I'm interested to see how the spy shots compare to the live reveal. A 2.4T MultiAir is going to be interesting to tune. Hopefully Dodge makes this an SRT worth saving up for.

to my knowledge multi air = "vtec" and the caliber srt had that.

12-15-2011, 10:12 PM	#62 (permalink)
toasteroven SRTforums Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Member Number: 7373 Location: Up North, eh! Posts: 4,422	Quote: Originally Posted by jesus_ralliart my parents love hyundais and brought me a booklet from the dealer thinking id be interested. i also saw the car at the autoshow a couple months ago. looks wise and gizmos wise.... great. power wise Re-read what I said. Quote: Originally Posted by toasteroven turbo Velosters. How's about 220+hp in a car that weighs 300lbs less than an SRT-4 sound? Still asleep? SRT had better be paying attention to cars like that. That's their competition. Not AWD Ralliarts and WRXs. If that is their market, it had better have the power and gadgets and luxury, otherwise, why wouldn't you buy a WRX for the same money? __________________ *"This car is 100% shts and giggles." "Speed has never killed anyone. Suddenly becoming stationary... that's what gets you."** Jeremy Clarkson SRT-4 to SRT8, SRT-4 Production Epitaph, Canadian SRT-4 Registry

12-15-2011, 11:08 PM	#63 (permalink)
blackbird_R/T SRTforums Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Member Number: 5369 Location: Temecula, CA Posts: 6,678	Quote: Originally Posted by toasteroven I have a sinking sensation they're going to load the SRT4 up with technology and luxury, and sell it at a stupid price. And then wonder why everyone is buying turbo Velosters. On the Focus forums a lot of people were compaling about how Ford would probably heavily mark up the turbocharged Focus ST saying its going to be priced at $30k, run as much as an Evo or STI, etc., but a member actually wrote and got a reply from Alan Mulally (Ford's CEO) who pretty much confirmed what the more realistic people were thinking in that it will start at around $24k and top out near $30 fully loaded. I'm hoping a front drive SRT-4 Dart would be the same. Keep the entry level price $23-25k and offer options if people want to load it up. __________________ Eric H. ---->- ----- '04 Neon SRT-4 (eBlue/S2) '92 Dodge Daytona IROC R/T --- -- '91 Dodge Spirit R/T plus a couple other turbo Dodges, a Cobalt, a few Focus, and some other stuff...

12-18-2011, 04:07 PM	#65 (permalink)
acrbill SRTforums Member Join Date: May 2003 Member Number: 1022 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,344	I will definitely be looking at an SRT-4 version if it ever comes out. I bet it comes real close to 30K with a bunch of options that can tip it over that mark. Car prices have gone nuts in the past few years. I bought a new Expedition in 2007 that MSRPd at $31k. Optioned the same it would cost me $39k for a 2011. My 2011 Mustang MSRPd north of $37k without navi. __________________

12-20-2011, 02:44 PM	#66 (permalink)
Zenkat Premium Member (Lifetime) Join Date: Apr 2004 Member Number: 10522 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 2,052	Quote: Originally Posted by toasteroven Re-read what I said. How's about 220+hp in a car that weighs 300lbs less than an SRT-4 sound? Still asleep? SRT had better be paying attention to cars like that. That's their competition. Not AWD Ralliarts and WRXs. If that is their market, it had better have the power and gadgets and luxury, otherwise, why wouldn't you buy a WRX for the same money? Everything i see says 204-210 hp, and with all the bells and whistles (which i assume a top of the line turbo model would have), will probably weigh in around 2800 (unless they purposely strip it down?). The top of the line automatic veloster already weighs 2800. Stock SRT's weigh just under 2900. I can see it being a low 14's car out of the box. Also interested to see what a 3000lb 247hp Focus ST will do by comparison. __________________ 11.21@127.88

12-28-2011, 11:08 AM	#67 (permalink)
Slammed0 SRTforums Member Join Date: May 2008 Member Number: 64344 Location: Boise, ID Posts: 1,251	Hmmmm, very interesting. I like the car at most angles, but the overall shape of the car in some of the spy shots left a little to be desired for me. I suppose I will have to wait it out and see the real things when it gets released. And, of course like 99& of you, I am VERY curious to see if/what the SRT version will offer. __________________ Injen intake, 3'' TBE, DSP 93 Tune, Fuel Pump Rewire, BFMIC, Granatelli wires, Mopar Rice Plate, 3 bar sensors, Meth injection. Pretty much stock!!

12-15-2011, 10:03 PM	#61 (permalink)
A-Town SRT SRTforums Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Member Number: 46710 Location: A-Town Posts: 2,199	I think if Dodge wanted to they could build an AWD, but like I said before it would be way too expensive, especially if the drive train needs to withstand 300hp/tq+ (desired range). Also I doubt SRT will put their name on anything that can't exceed the performance numbers the vehicle is being marketed at, they know people will mod it and Mopar can supply the parts (more money). For example an AWD car like a 2005 STI was ~ $30k brand new along with the Evo, now that was almost seven years ago. With inflation you can expect the price of a similar type of vehicle today to rise significantly. Your looking at close to $40K and most people aren't going to pay that much because today even a $30k car is still pricey for that particular buyers market. To be a sucess the car will have to be FWD to cut down on costs and at the same time maintain the same level of reliability/performance that the original SRT4 did, all while being relatively affordable.

12-15-2011, 11:19 PM	#64 (permalink)
Slow04Cobra SRTforums Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Member Number: 31822 Location: North Alabama Posts: 36	It's pretty sweet; I'd drive it!

12-29-2011, 01:28 PM	#68 (permalink)
RacingShoeBox SRTforums Member Join Date: May 2007 Member Number: 54207 Location: camden co. NJ Posts: 791	uhhhhhhhhh again why would they make a1.8 turbo when they STILL HAVE the 2.4t from the caliber in their hands to throw in it? confirmed dart motors eco model = 1.8t base model = 2.0 R/T model = 2.4 SRT model = ? (pssstttt !=! 2.4t lay down your money) expect 270-300hp from factory for the srt-4 __________________ nSRT 4 Holy shit people it's not that hard... SELL - "i would like to *SELL* an item" SALE - "i have this item for *SALE" Last edited by RacingShoeBox; 12-29-2011 at 01:34 PM.*

01-03-2012, 09:35 PM	#69 (permalink)
enginjoe SRTforums Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Member Number: 3797 Location: Tucson Posts: 5,037	Let's hope so... __________________ 2003 SRT-4 Silver, AGP GT3076R on E85 DD! Was 478hp/508tq ----> Now ??? 2002 Camaro SS M6, going N/A...

01-03-2012, 10:05 PM	#70 (permalink)
cjelley SRTforums Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Member Number: 86269 Location: New York Posts: 63	not feeling it...how much can you really do with a 1.4L anyways?

01-04-2012, 12:06 PM	#71 (permalink)
veritas SRTforums Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Member Number: 12491 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,160	Quote: Originally Posted by cjelley not feeling it...how much can you really do with a 1.4L anyways? Who cares? That engine won't be in the predicted SRT version. __________________ 1998 Cherokee 2004 SRT-4

01-05-2012, 10:33 AM	#72 (permalink)
SRT4Quagmire SRTforums Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Member Number: 32324 Location: NE Posts: 5,321	Hmmmm, I would buy one of these ugly beasts... if it were half as cool as my SRT-4.

01-05-2012, 01:14 PM	#73 (permalink)
RacingShoeBox SRTforums Member Join Date: May 2007 Member Number: 54207 Location: camden co. NJ Posts: 791	Quote: Originally Posted by veritas Who cares? That engine won't be in the predicted SRT version. i think each page so far has people saying OMGDZ DUH FUK WHY 1.4lt!??!! im done explaining it __________________ nSRT 4 Holy shit people it's not that hard... SELL - "i would like to *SELL* an item" SALE - "i have this item for *SALE*"

01-05-2012, 03:43 PM	#74 (permalink)
rebellionyst SRTforums Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Member Number: 59345 Location: Dirty Burnie Posts: 496	Quote: Originally Posted by Slowryd hmm the Looks like it will be 6 speed, turbo engine comes from fiat 500 Abarth, body style is based off a Alfa Romeo Giulietta, still fwd .... 2013 Dodge Dart \| Price, release date, specs, pics, concept The 2013 Dart rides on an Americanized (lengthened and widened) platform adapted from Fiat's well-regarded and high-style European Alfa Romeo Giulietta. Dodge also makes claims about "materials and precision craftsmanship typically found in more expensive vehicle segments" while also highlighting the fact that it will offer "thousands of ways to personalize" the compact model through a choice of 12 exterior colors, 14 interior color and trim combinations, six wheel options, three engine options and three transmissions. I like, 8.4 inch touchscreen HUD I like 7 IN dash navigation Holy hell, who wrote that article, a monkey with a Speak and Spell? I'm interested to see how the spy shots compare to the live reveal. A 2.4T MultiAir is going to be interesting to tune. Hopefully Dodge makes this an SRT worth saving up for. __________________ D55 POWERED Quote: Originally Posted by contraption22 You know what would be the perfect thing for a Hella Flush meet at the beach? A Tsunami.

01-06-2012, 07:03 AM	#75 (permalink)
RacingShoeBox SRTforums Member Join Date: May 2007 Member Number: 54207 Location: camden co. NJ Posts: 791	Quote: Originally Posted by rebellionyst Holy hell, who wrote that article, a monkey with a Speak and Spell? I'm interested to see how the spy shots compare to the live reveal. A 2.4T MultiAir is going to be interesting to tune. Hopefully Dodge makes this an SRT worth saving up for. to my knowledge multi air = "vtec" and the caliber srt had that. __________________ nSRT 4 Holy shit people it's not that hard... SELL - "i would like to *SELL* an item" SALE - "i have this item for *SALE*"

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