I hate the Caliber and I like the Venza. They do not look anything alike in my book. Greenhouse profile is about the only real similarity between the two, and that's far from enough to make them "look the same".
I totally agree. RTShadow is prone to making broad generalizations. I believe he said the Mazdaspeed3 and Caliber SRT-4 looked identical....because they're 4dr hatchbacks.
The Venza shares zero similarity with the Caliber outside of 4 doors and a hatchback. It's much closer to the Magnum or Pacifica.
It's like saying the 350Z and the Crossfire look the same. 2 doors, a V6, and a hatch.
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Obviously you are not detecting the sarcasim in my posts.
Nope. "Regular" SUVs don't share a platform with a car, they are built about a truck platform.
The Neon and PT are/were both C segment cars. They were classified the same way.
I was referring to wagon vs sedan, either way it was a poor example. Regardless, your assertion that suv's are only built BOF is absurd. Heck, both the Jeep Cherokee and Grand Cherokee have been built on unibody platforms.
I totally agree. RTShadow is prone to making broad generalizations. I believe he said the Mazdaspeed3 and Caliber SRT-4 looked identical....because they're 4dr hatchbacks.
The Venza shares zero similarity with the Caliber outside of 4 doors and a hatchback. It's much closer to the Magnum or Pacifica.
It's like saying the 350Z and the Crossfire look the same. 2 doors, a V6, and a hatch.
Caliber looks like the bastard child of the Magnum and Durango.
As some of you may have seen, the supreme court blocked the chrysler/fiat deal for 4 days while it reviewed the case:
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A group of Indiana pension and construction funds had opposed that transaction, arguing that the Chrysler sale favored lenders much more junior to them. They were joined by consumer groups who complained that the sale would exempt the new Chrysler from past product liability claims.
But the government and Chrysler argued, along with Fiat, that the only alternative to the sale was a liquidation of the automaker, which would result in tens of thousands of job losses.
This was good news for Chrysler, although the Supreme Court case was a shot in the dark for the group that filed the motion, because their true intention was that chrysler should be sold off piece by piece to increase profits for them, which was not going to happen.
On Tuesday, 789 dealership franchises were eliminated from the Chrysler dealer lineup, some are going to try and make it on their own, but many are closing their doors for good. This is very sad news for many people in smaller towns who relied on the hometown relationships they had with these dealers, but it is Chrysler's hope that streamlining the dealership lineup will create less competion between Chrysler dealerships and eliminate the less productive dealerships.
So, that brings us up to date, as Chrysler LLC has now come out of bankruptcy, and the Fiat deal has officially renamed the company as "Chrysler Group LLC", a new company that Fiat says will focus more heavily on smaller car production, which is something that Chrysler has been severely lacking as of late.
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Fiat Chief Executive Sergio Marchionne became CEO of the new Chrysler Group LLC on Wednesday. The automaker's former CEO, Bob Nardelli, will return to Cerberus Capital, the former majority owner of Chrysler, as an adviser.
Chrysler's former vice chairman and president, Jim Press, has been named Marchionne's deputy chief executive, and Fiat's chief financial officer, Richard Palmer, has been named CFO of the new company.
In a memo to employees, Marchionne voiced optimism about the new company's outlook.
"There is no doubt in my mind that we will get the job done," he said. He called the alliance a "bold first step to implement" lessons learned.
Marchionne added that Fiat will begin the process of transferring Fiat's technology, platforms and powertrains to Chrysler plants in the next few months.
The implementation of this technology and the ability to produce a viable attractive small car are paramount to the survival of Chrysler at this point, along with the cost of fuel remaining at a reasonable price. However knowing the oil companies, they are going to come up with a bunch of excuses to jack the hell out of gas prices this summer again, even as oil reserves are overflowing, which basically shows that the excuses are totally bogus.
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One of the most realistic parts of this video is that it shows two guys riding together in the Subaru, they are in love, I think it is a touching and realistic portrayal of Subaru owners and I applaud them for it.
I was referring to wagon vs sedan, either way it was a poor example. Regardless, your assertion that suv's are only built BOF is absurd. Heck, both the Jeep Cherokee and Grand Cherokee have been built on unibody platforms.
Um, I didn't. I said a truck (SUV) platform, not body-on-frame. Maybe I should have used slightly different wording, but I was not asserting that all "true" SUV's are BOF. Also, the GC doesn't share its platform with a car That was really my point.
It's still not a truck in the traditional sense. Nor is it a truck compared to Ram, F-150, etc.
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lol
That was really my point.
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