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suzq044 · 05-23-2009, 02:35 AM

The newer the model the 'better' it is - it's like comparing the 1gen Neon ACR to the SRT-4; they're both fun to drive, but one is obviously better than the other, stock v. stock.

You can compare anything.. it's just what within that 'anything' you're considering in the comparison. Admittedly, Scion took the "cheap" out of the Toyota brand, and moved Toyota more upscale (midrange), and made Lexus the high-end, obviously.

I thought of this one yesterday;

What if:
Jeep= Cheap/utilitarian vehicles (which is what they really are supposed to be anyways; 4x4 or 4x2, Jeep has always been utilitarian)
Dodge = mid-range with all-out performance.
Chrysler = Top of the line, with the best of both the lower brands with MUCH more luxury and technology added.

For example;
Jeep has, for example, the Cherokee - This would be the basic with minimalistic options 4x4, awd, or 4x2 available on ALL vehicles; any vehicles NOT 4x4, should be RWD. Diesel engines would be a great addition here as well. Note, the name "Grand" would not be in the name, because that seriously does nothing for them, if there is no "standard" Cherokee to go with it. If you want a high-end Cherokee, get an Aspen.

Dodge would have, under the Durango name, the performance and mid-range options for it, (also either drive-train) + SRT badging here. Mixing of all three drivetrain options would be good here (FWD, RWD, AWD [and 4x4 for trucks])

SRT should be the performance specific vehicles; thus DODGE.

Chrysler would have, under the Aspen name, the top-of-the-range options, and then some, focusing on technology and luxury. The SRT drive-train would be a top-end option, but not called an SRT package; some sort of special luxury package or something.

Note:
Body-paneling differentiating every brand as well. You could do the same for the trucks too. AND, you'd have the ability to have 4x4, AWD, or RWD for every vehicle across the board. This would differentiate the brands, and go back to basics, as it were; and everybody would have what they want; as long as they weren't clones with different front-clips (interior-wise either [Compass, Caliber, Patriot; Sebring, Avenger.. etc])

as far as the ENVi vehicles go, At least one per line; maybe even make them the Halo vehicles for each brand. Dodge get's the Demon; Chrysler 300E. and the Jeep Wrangler Rubicon for example.

jdgeary · 05-23-2009, 07:41 AM

if anything it compares with the pacifica

suzq044 · 05-23-2009, 01:29 PM

No, I think the Journey is comparable to the Pacifica, not the GC.

jdgeary · 05-24-2009, 07:23 AM

i'm sorry i was talking about the Venza and how it compares to chrysler...others were saying caliber

suzq044 · 05-24-2009, 12:53 PM

Oh, I would say the Venza is more like the Mazda5; It's more minivan than a big-wagon. Like the Flex.

veritas · 05-24-2009, 03:23 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by jdgeary

i'm sorry i was talking about the Venza and how it compares to chrysler...others were saying caliber

Quote: Originally Posted by suzq044

Oh, I would say the Venza is more like the Mazda5; It's more minivan than a big-wagon. Like the Flex.

Chrysler makes the Mazda5?

suzq044 · 05-24-2009, 10:24 PM

lol - okay, don't be a smartass; if you want to compare it to something on the Chrysler line, Caliber WOULD be the closest, but I see the Venza as being a cross between what would be a Journey and Caliber..

RTShadow · 05-24-2009, 10:33 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by suzq044

lol - okay, don't be a smartass; if you want to compare it to something on the Chrysler line, Caliber WOULD be the closest, but I see the Venza as being a cross between what would be a Journey and Caliber..

is the venza bigger? because you look at the side profile and it is the spitting image of a caliber, maybe not to scale but wow they look a LOT alike.

suzq044 · 05-25-2009, 12:08 PM

most hatch-wagons do have the same profile. I haven't seen them side-by-side, but I do think the Venza is bigger.

wiggyx · 05-25-2009, 12:18 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by suzq044

You can compare anything.. it's just what within that 'anything' you're considering in the comparison.

Yeah, but the Caliber and Camry wagon, err Venza aren't in the same segment, so it's kind of a silly comparo.

Quote: Originally Posted by suzq044

Oh, I would say the Venza is more like the Mazda5; It's more minivan than a big-wagon. Like the Flex.

Actually, it is just a wagon. Have you guys actually seen one in person? It's not that big. It's quite literally a Camry wagon in fact.

JmalB · 05-26-2009, 03:38 AM

It's a tall Camry wagon.

RTShadow · 05-26-2009, 06:13 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by JmalB

It's a tall Camry wagon.

Ah, so it IS pretty much a Caliber on the outside

JmalB · 05-27-2009, 03:57 AM

Considering it's a much larger vehicle... Sorta. It probably slots inbetween the Caliber and the Magnum size wise. And really looks nothing like either.

BigMac · 05-28-2009, 04:14 AM

Dimensions:

CALIBER
Overall Length - 173.8"
Overall Width - 68.8"
Overall Height - 60.4"
Wheelbase - 103.7"
Track - 59"
Turning Diameter - 35.50' (R/T 37.20')
Ground Clearance - 8.1" (SE 7.7")

VENZA
Overall length - 189"
Overall width - 75"
Overall height - 63.4"
Wheelbase - 109.3"
Track (front/rear) - 64.2/64.4
Track with AWD (front/rear) - 64.2/64.2
Turning diameter - 39.1"
Ground clearance - 8.1"

Venza is bigger all around, with ~6" more shoulder room front and back. It weighs 800-1000 lbs more, and the base model starts at almost $26,000. It's a midsize wagon, not a quasi-compact wagon like the Caliber.

FunWheelDrive · 05-28-2009, 12:12 PM

I looked at one closely yesterday and it noticably bigger than the caliber. No comparison.