Alright, so in say...the next four years..have we really seen anything that looks promising? IMO, the answer is no.
The new Ram will be coming out, which is a great truck. The car from Nissan. although we don't know what it looks like yet, sounds like it should be good. Maybe.. just maybe it could be the Demon.. and they said screw Chery on that part. Jeep is suppose to be getting an ORT, the SRT of Jeeps. And the journey is actually a pretty nice vehicle. The 6 speed SRT Challenger along with the R/T and SE. Along with that and its bump in engines with the SRT model to a 6.4 or greater. We are suppose to be getting a vehicle that will be a scion fighter if i remember right. As of right now.. Thats all that i can think of.
Chrysler LLC hasn't had time to really show anything that is of their work not tainted with Daimler yet. What they have been able to do is slash cars away.
Chrysler has been desperate for a small car in North America as high fuel prices send consumers away from its trucks and sport utility vehicles to more fuel-efficient models. U.S. subcompact sales were up about 30 percent in the first three months of this year, and LaSorda said the global demand for subcompacts tops 10 million cars per year.
"I think the timing is good. I wish I had them now but I'll wait for great cars," LaSorda said. He said Chrysler has already finished designing its subcompact.
LaSorda said this deal won't affect ongoing talks with Chinese automaker Chery Automobile Co. to make small cars for Chrysler to export to the U.S. and Western Europe.
"We believe we need more than one small car for NAFTA, so we will be counting on Chery to help us with that," he said, referring to sales in the U.S., Canada and Mexico
Well Tommy, you had the Neon and you had it in a performance version. Imagine the possibilities now two years removed. Keep watching those sales go elsewhere from the cheap seats.
you mean the last four years? You realise these concepts are started months if not years previous to showing the full-size versions. Not to mention now is when chrysler holds its own - with its own design philosophy, not sanctioned by Daimler. I hope to see some great looking cars.. like this one i made out of a 300C - its a long wheelbase though..
Im sorry, but I wouldnt touch that with a ten foot pole.
Quote: Originally Posted by Parkerman
The new Ram will be coming out, which is a great truck. The car from Nissan. although we don't know what it looks like yet, sounds like it should be good. Maybe.. just maybe it could be the Demon.. and they said screw Chery on that part. Jeep is suppose to be getting an ORT, the SRT of Jeeps. And the journey is actually a pretty nice vehicle. The 6 speed SRT Challenger along with the R/T and SE. Along with that and its bump in engines with the SRT model to a 6.4 or greater. We are suppose to be getting a vehicle that will be a scion fighter if i remember right. As of right now.. Thats all that i can think of.
Chrysler LLC hasn't had time to really show anything that is of their work not tainted with Daimler yet. What they have been able to do is slash cars away.
New ram - Cool, lets just keep putting all our money into trucks since thats the only logical thing to buy from us currently.
Demon - I dont have anything to say about it until I see some actual facts about it.
ORT- Yes because a fast Jeep gets me hard.
Journey- Id like to see it hold a candle to its competition.
Challenger - Like I said before, Why put all the eggs into this gas guzzling, 4100+ lbs pig that has no design innovation whatsoever?
Compared to a lot of other companies, I really cant see myself buying anything from dodge in the following decade.
Im sorry, but I wouldnt touch that with a ten foot pole.
New ram - Cool, lets just keep putting all our money into trucks since thats the only logical thing to buy from us currently.
Demon - I dont have anything to say about it until I see some actual facts about it.
ORT- Yes because a fast Jeep gets me hard.
Journey- Id like to see it hold a candle to its competition.
Challenger - Like I said before, Why put all the eggs into this gas guzzling, 4100+ lbs pig that has no design innovation whatsoever?
Compared to a lot of other companies, I really cant see myself buying anything from dodge in the following decade.
the challenger is a car for the people who don't care about gas prices. honestly anyone making over $150k a year isn't being affected that much on the cost to fill a tank. hell, even with the current cost of fuel, my wife and i only spend $470 a month on fuel compared to $250 when gas was $2.00. it sucks that i could be spending that $220 on something else, but it isn't killing us. this is with a hemi durango and a srt-4 on premium. and we only combine for around $110k a year.
everyone refers to the weight of the vehicles. you do realize that they weigh that much due to safety standards right? the neon couldn't be sold right now as it would fail safety miserably.
Im sorry, but I wouldnt touch that with a ten foot pole.
New ram - Cool, lets just keep putting all our money into trucks since thats the only logical thing to buy from us currently.
Demon - I dont have anything to say about it until I see some actual facts about it.
ORT- Yes because a fast Jeep gets me hard.
Journey- Id like to see it hold a candle to its competition.
Challenger - Like I said before, Why put all the eggs into this gas guzzling, 4100+ lbs pig that has no design innovation whatsoever?
Compared to a lot of other companies, I really cant see myself buying anything from dodge in the following decade.
I just love thoughtless rants like this one that really serve no purpose nor propose any solutions to the supposed problems. Take off your Burger King crown and pretend you're the CEO at Chrysler for a moment, what would you do to fix the problems that you've identified?
Better yet, why don't you go and tell them yourself:
Demon - I dont have anything to say about it until I see some actual facts about it.
ORT- Yes because a fast Jeep gets me hard.
Journey- Id like to see it hold a candle to its competition.
Challenger - Like I said before, Why put all the eggs into this gas guzzling, 4100+ lbs pig that has no design innovation whatsoever?
Compared to a lot of other companies, I really cant see myself buying anything from dodge in the following decade.
I don't really understand what you are saying about trucks... Thats what Dodge does.
Even if the demon is FWD.. it will sell, the Average public doesn't even know know what drive their car is. They will lose some sales through the enthusiast line though.
ORT.... Off... Road... Technology..
Whats wrong with the journey? Have you actually gotten in and checked it out? Its no Cadillac, but its not horrible.
The Challenger will have a V6. the 5.7 w/ mds... and whatever engine they put into the SRT. It wont be a prius.. but it also wont be an SRT-10 ram. People who buy it.. aren't looking for good gas mileage.
Chrysler LLC’s new dual-clutch transmission, developed in partnership with Getrag AG, makes its debut this spring. The new technology—available in international markets on the all-new 2009 Dodge Journey, the 2009 Dodge Avenger and the 2009 Chrysler Sebring—will provide consumers a fuel economy improvement and CO2 emissions reduction of 6 percent. "Chrysler’s new dual-clutch transmission is the next step in transmission technology, offering consumers improved fuel economy along with smoother and quicker shifting,” Frank Klegon, Executive Vice President—Product Development, said. “This important new Chrysler technology is one of several initiatives we have in place to directly focus on improving fuel efficiency across our vehicle lineup.” The transmission will be mated to a 2.0-liter turbodiesel engine.
The dual-clutch transmission is an automatic transmission that uses dual launch and shift clutches with a manual transmission style lay-shaft gear arrangement, instead of a conventional torque converter and planetary gears. One clutch drives the odd-numbered gears and reverse, while the other clutch drives the even-numbered gears. During shifts, the next gear is anticipated and preselected. Then one clutch is opened while the other is closed, allowing shifting without torque interruption. The result is quicker acceleration and refined shift quality. Further, with the lay-shaft arrangement of gears, there is increased flexibility to optimize gear ratio selection for performance and fuel economy. The all-new dual-clutch transmission does not require a torque converter to transfer engine torque to the transmission. Instead, it uses two, wet multiplate clutches. With the wet multiplate clutch system, the clutch components are bathed in lubricating/cooling fluid to provide adequate thermal capacity.
The wet multiplate clutch system uses hydraulic pressure to actuate the clutches and provide for gear selection. With this system, the power flow from the engine to the transmission is not interrupted during a shift, resulting in a power-on shift. This means that there is less torque disturbance than a conventional planetary automatic transmission with torque converter. Also, by eliminating the torque converter and reducing the number of shift clutches, parasitic losses are reduced leading to improved fuel economy.
Chrysler LLC’s new dual-clutch transmission, developed in partnership with Getrag AG, makes its debut this spring. The new technology—available in international markets on the all-new 2009 Dodge Journey, the 2009 Dodge Avenger and the 2009 Chrysler Sebring—will provide consumers a fuel economy improvement and CO2 emissions reduction of 6 percent. "Chrysler’s new dual-clutch transmission is the next step in transmission technology, offering consumers improved fuel economy along with smoother and quicker shifting,” Frank Klegon, Executive Vice President—Product Development, said. “This important new Chrysler technology is one of several initiatives we have in place to directly focus on improving fuel efficiency across our vehicle lineup.” The transmission will be mated to a 2.0-liter turbodiesel engine.
The dual-clutch transmission is an automatic transmission that uses dual launch and shift clutches with a manual transmission style lay-shaft gear arrangement, instead of a conventional torque converter and planetary gears. One clutch drives the odd-numbered gears and reverse, while the other clutch drives the even-numbered gears. During shifts, the next gear is anticipated and preselected. Then one clutch is opened while the other is closed, allowing shifting without torque interruption. The result is quicker acceleration and refined shift quality. Further, with the lay-shaft arrangement of gears, there is increased flexibility to optimize gear ratio selection for performance and fuel economy. The all-new dual-clutch transmission does not require a torque converter to transfer engine torque to the transmission. Instead, it uses two, wet multiplate clutches. With the wet multiplate clutch system, the clutch components are bathed in lubricating/cooling fluid to provide adequate thermal capacity.
The wet multiplate clutch system uses hydraulic pressure to actuate the clutches and provide for gear selection. With this system, the power flow from the engine to the transmission is not interrupted during a shift, resulting in a power-on shift. This means that there is less torque disturbance than a conventional planetary automatic transmission with torque converter. Also, by eliminating the torque converter and reducing the number of shift clutches, parasitic losses are reduced leading to improved fuel economy.
These things are going to be great once they are inexpensive, and can handle real power.
Does fullsize light truck mean the Ram? I was thinking the Dakota.. But I guess full size means the ram.. Even though the Dakota is so F'n big now anyways.
the Dakota is on its last leg...
I wouldnt be suprised if Dodge started supplying the HD chassis' to Nissan for a Titan HD. I think everyone would win in that situation.
the challenger is a car for the people who don't care about gas prices. honestly anyone making over $150k a year isn't being affected that much on the cost to fill a tank. hell, even with the current cost of fuel, my wife and i only spend $470 a month on fuel compared to $250 when gas was $2.00. it sucks that i could be spending that $220 on something else, but it isn't killing us. this is with a hemi durango and a srt-4 on premium. and we only combine for around $110k a year.
everyone refers to the weight of the vehicles. you do realize that they weigh that much due to safety standards right? the neon couldn't be sold right now as it would fail safety miserably.
Haha, anyone making over 150k a year? Yeah thats a real good market to be trying to make a profit from
Quote: Originally Posted by srtdrew
I just love thoughtless rants like this one that really serve no purpose nor propose any solutions to the supposed problems. Take off your Burger King crown and pretend you're the CEO at Chrysler for a moment, what would you do to fix the problems that you've identified?
Better yet, why don't you go and tell them yourself:
Sorry but Im one step ahead of you, I already went to the site.
Quote: Originally Posted by Parkerman
I don't really understand what you are saying about trucks... Thats what Dodge does.
Even if the demon is FWD.. it will sell, the Average public doesn't even know know what drive their car is. They will lose some sales through the enthusiast line though.
ORT.... Off... Road... Technology..
Whats wrong with the journey? Have you actually gotten in and checked it out? Its no Cadillac, but its not horrible.
The Challenger will have a V6. the 5.7 w/ mds... and whatever engine they put into the SRT. It wont be a prius.. but it also wont be an SRT-10 ram. People who buy it.. aren't looking for good gas mileage.
I realize thats what dodge does, but with the coming years they are not going to be able to survive off just that. They need to put some serious effort for their future and it just doesnt look like they are doing that to me.
I do think the demon will sell as long as they keep the price as low as they said they were going to.
Haha, anyone making over 150k a year? Yeah thats a real good market to be trying to make a profit from
i meant combined income. $150k isn't that hard to come by. I bet it would draw down to $100k combined.
also i was referring to the R/T and the SRT market. the SE wil get 24 mpg highway and 17 city. that would put an average of 20 mpg. at 15000 miles per year this will cost $200 per month at $3.20 per gallon. that is only $75 more per month than when gas was $2.00 per gallon. comparing to a car that gets 30mpg average the cost is only $67 more per month at $3.20 per gallon. The target market for the challenger will not be phased by $67 - $75 per month.
i meant combined income. $150k isn't that hard to come by. I bet it would draw down to $100k combined.
also i was referring to the R/T and the SRT market. the SE wil get 24 mpg highway and 17 city. that would put an average of 20 mpg. at 15000 miles per year this will cost $200 per month at $3.20 per gallon. that is only $75 more per month than when gas was $2.00 per gallon. comparing to a car that gets 30mpg average the cost is only $67 more per month at $3.20 per gallon. The target market for the challenger will not be phased by $67 - $75 per month.
your turn....
Its pretty sad when a corvette gets better gas mileage than the 6 cylinder version of the challenger.
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Keep watching those sales go elsewhere from the cheap seats.
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