F-85 Jetfire

[Santorican]

I've been reading about the old Buick 215 engine for a while and I found an article on wikipedia about the Olds F-85 Jetfire with a six bolt head turbocharged 215 engine.

I was looking a few pictures of it and noticed that the turbocharger is placed in the valley of the engine, and then I laughed. BMW and Ford are touting that they have new revolutionary designs with BMW's new 4.4 twin turbo V8 and Ford's 6.4 liter V8 Diesel about how their turbochargers are placed in the valley of the engine, but here is a design that is 46 years old and already has done this.

Then I found this little gem on ebay, man if I had the money I would restomod the hell out of this car.
F-85 for sale

Honestly though I would love to find this engine alone for sale and put it into something more modern with a better suspension.

[Santorican]

Though I do understand the cool part of BMW's new V8 is how they changed the position of the intake and exhaust ports, but I find it funny that they're using 46 year old technology.

[JmalB]

Like twincharging. It's been around a long time.

[Santorican]

Quote: Originally Posted by JmalB

Like twincharging. It's been around a long time.

Yeah a lot of WW2 airplane engines are twin charged. I believe the B17s are twin charged.

[RTShadow]

There are a whole lot of engine 'inventions' that are attributed to the wrong auto makers, simply because they took earlier technology and used it again.

VTEC for instance, NOT a Honda invention, not by any means

[SRT-4_UK]

VTEC is copyright name so technically it is a Honda thing. However, variable valve timing is another story.

[Santorican]

Who was the first company with vvt?

[BigMac]

This turbo setup also used water/alcohol injection for knock suppression. A long time ago I drove a Jetfire (though it was a 63 -- different sheet metal) that was for sale. It didn't run right so I passed on it, but it would've been cool to still have it now. That little 215 can be turned into an all-aluminum (300-lb.) 5.0 liter powerplant pretty easily.

[str5010]

I found out about these cars last year and I would love to have one. I have never seen one in person or even seen pictures of a restored one. I think it is awesome that in 63 the car came from the factory with mechanical meth injection which they called "Rocket fuel". As mentioned this was for knock supression. They were so worried about knock they actually used 6.5:1 compression pistons. And yes many of the ww2 planes including the B17 were twincharged.

I think Porsche was the first with vvt.

[Matterbaiter]

Quote: Originally Posted by Santorican

Who was the first company with vvt?

Quote:

902, Cadillac M engine. 1.6 litre, 1-Cylinder producing 10hp. The variable valve timing was used for throttle control, rather than high performance.

1981, Alfa Romeo introduced the first Variable Valve timing system to improve performance. (However, I do remember looking through an old 1950's or '60's Hot Rod magazine, and remember seeing a variable cam sprocket for a SBC and SBF. I'll see if I can find it.)

There's really two types of Variable valve timing. There the system that changes the valve lift and or duration (Honda VTEC), or the kind that changes the actual valve timing (BMW's VANOS). Honda's new i-VTEC utilizes both systems. The new Ford 3V motor is more closer to the VANOS system, or what Ford already uses in the Focus, the ZETEC.

From another forum.

[DJOrtiz]

Quote: Originally Posted by Santorican

I've been reading about the old Buick 215 engine for a while and I found an article on wikipedia about the Olds F-85 Jetfire with a six bolt head turbocharged 215 engine.

I was looking a few pictures of it and noticed that the turbocharger is placed in the valley of the engine, and then I laughed. BMW and Ford are touting that they have new revolutionary designs with BMW's new 4.4 twin turbo V8 and Ford's 6.4 liter V8 Diesel about how their turbochargers are placed in the valley of the engine, but here is a design that is 46 years old and already has done this.

Then I found this little gem on ebay, man if I had the money I would restomod the hell out of this car.
F-85 for sale

Honestly though I would love to find this engine alone for sale and put it into something more modern with a better suspension.

bish had AC.. looks slow...

just needs some TLC and that thing would be dragstrip ready

[Santorican]

Quote: Originally Posted by DJOrtiz

bish had AC.. looks slow...

just needs some TLC and that thing would be dragstrip ready

I was thinking more along the lines of tube frame formula car.