Dunno if anyone did finally mention this, but the V6 Camaro is expected to start in the mid $22,000 range.
In other words, you will be getting a 300 hp V6 RWD muscle car for less than:
A 300 hp 350z
A 160-something HP Mazda Miata
Any BMW
A 300 hp Mustang GT
A Challenger or Charger (any, including the 255 hp V6 models)
A Hyundai Genesis V6 coupe with "about 300 hp"
An STI or Evo with about 300 hp
and the list goes on and on
And as cheap as:
A 263 hp FWD Mazdaspeed 3
A 285 hp FWD Caliber SRT
A Mustang 220 hp V6
A Hyundai Genesis 220 HP Turbo 4 coupe
Almost as cheap as a Neon SRT-4 was new (MSRP... I don't care if your cousins friends uncle bought one out the door for $19k)
and again, the list could go on and on... not really a lot of performance ANYTHING to be had for low $20's.
Just a few examples... of course, without knowing how they drive, it's hard to really judge. But just going on the known stats, the Camaro looks like THE new performance bargain. Yes it's weight definitely hurts it, so it's not going to be running 13's stock (talking the V6 only). But still, that's a good amount of power and RWD/independent rear suspension... you know the things going to be crazy fun. And who knows what the potential of that engine is. The Challenger is just as porky, anyways, for everyone comparing this car to that. Even the Hyundai is quoted to be over 3400 lbs, and this is the car that their whole marketing ploy is to aim at the young guys who are into drifting and such and really like the LIGHT RWD cars.
I know if I wasn't gunshy from GM's general reliability and was in the market for a new low price car that would be very high on my list.
For some reason i don't see GM starting it at 22k. And... I saw that the V6 does the 1/4th in like.... 14.6.
.. you know, this thing only went 2 seconds faster than the Cobalt SS around the 'ring right? [granted, i know that's not the only thing to rate by.. i just happened across that information about an hour ago]
ohhh schnap i wanna know what the gearing and axle ratios look like on the v6s cause a 14.5-14.7 @ 97 is fukin moving for the claimed weight......seriously
0-60 in 6.1 seconds regardless of trans....thats even faster than the newer Camry SE V6s
like it was said above i guess this is the new value/bargain RWD coupe in the market
and woah the Auto SS is faster than the manual SS....geee i wonder why
BEACAUSE THEY KNOW....the majority of buyers will take the auto.....these cars arent exactly gonna be cheap and the target audience is older/some less likely to want to drive manual. Good job on offering the ultimate mind boggler when it comes time to choose which transmission on the SS.....geee do i get the auto.....nah wife will want to drive it too much plus its faster
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.. you know, this thing only went 2 seconds faster than the Cobalt SS around the 'ring right? [granted, i know that's not the only thing to rate by.. i just happened across that information about an hour ago]
Which brings me to this. Will Ford fit the Focus RS in here somewhere?
LOL in that case they might as well claim 500HP. You sure would believe it.
Salesman: Yes sir this here car makes 300HP.
Veritas: Wow! It sure doesn't feel like 300HP.
Salesman: Well that's because the seats are so soft you can't tell how fast you are going. Go ahead and floor it, you'll see.
Veritas (now flooring it while getting passed by a family in a Camry): Why is everyone passing us?
Salesman: Because their seats are harder silly goose!
Veritas: Wow, awesome!
Salesman: Now let's take this thing back to fantasy land and get you financed.
Veritas: Yay!
(salesman sends a text back to his buddies at work): Another sucker! Get the paperwork ready before the value cuts in half on this pile.
Well seeing as it's quicker than a V6 Camry, I'd have to say your whole scenario is flawed. I was trying to be polite, but you're just a fucking moron.
Have fun in your fantasy land.
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The reason they can put down decent 1/4mile times is mostly in part to the solid rear axel and its ability to hook and go. But we all know that doesnt mean crap from a dig.
.. you know, this thing only went 2 seconds faster than the Cobalt SS around the 'ring right? [granted, i know that's not the only thing to rate by.. i just happened across that information about an hour ago]
Camaro for the tie...
8:20 --- Audi RS6
8:20 --- BMW M3 E36
8:20 --- 2008 Honda NSX
8:20 --- Porche 993 GT3
You missed a few cars in between Camaro and Cobalt
8:22 --- BMW M3 E46
8:22 --- BMW M Coupe
8:22 --- Mercedes-Benz C55
8:22.38 - Nissan Skyline R32 GT-R
Well seeing as it's quicker than a V6 Camry, I'd have to say your whole scenario is flawed. I was trying to be polite, but you're just a fucking moron.
Have fun in your fantasy land.
Actually 14.6 is less than 14.8 or 14.9 if 1st grade math serves me correctly. But I'm not allowed to post anymore. You'll have to PM me for any further lessons.
Actually 14.6 is less than 14.8 or 14.9 if 1st grade math serves me correctly. But I'm not allowed to post anymore. You'll have to PM me for any further lessons.
Yay the thread is saved and we can go back to talking about the Camaro.
I think alot of you are missing the point here. Who gives a shit about the V6...that's not the performance model.
When discussing the V8 you have to consider its competition. The Challenger and Mustang....with all do respect, the Camaro is far better than both. I can quote about 6 different high ranking GM reps that have stated the Camaro will be priced in line with the Mustang, all be it slightly more expensive. So you can fully expect the SS to come in around $29k or even less. Whoever said 36k is rediculous as far as starting price. Sure, with options you can get it up that high...but starting price for a V8 will begin UNDER 30k.
It has 3 less hp than the Challenger and 300 less pounds. I'm pretty sure 3hp isn't going to make up 300 lbs. It has 122 more hp than the Mustang...that's not even competition.
Lastly...look at the freaking numbers. Those numbers are not GM's numbers and GM did not loan the car for others to test...So how the hell did anyone get the numbers???? Disregard those numbers for a sec and consider something else. The Challenger runs a 0-60 in 4.7 and 1/4mi in 13.0. Do you honestly expect a car with virtually the same power ratings and 300 less pounds to run .4 seconds SLOWER???? GET REAL. Face it, those numbers were pulled out of someone's ass. The Camaro was at the ring for testing purposes so they can tweak it....not to see where the final car stands. They will take their results and make changes to the car as needed, the car is only going to get faster.
People give a shit about the v6 because thats what the majority of Camaros are going to be. If the v6 sucks then the whole car will be gone once again.
People give a shit about the v6 because thats what the majority of Camaros are going to be. If the v6 sucks then the whole car will be gone once again.
You have a point but I just think if people are going to bitch and complain about performance...they should be discussing the V8...as that is the performance trim. The V6 is watered down and performance is not the focal point of that vehicle trim. It certainly is a part of it, but being the fastest....or the slowest....is not going to make or break the car.
I think another reason people might be focusing a bit much on the v6 is because 1. economy isnt doing so hot, so even if people did want they v8, they might have to settle with the v6, and 2. Increasing gas prices.
I think another reason people might be focusing a bit much on the v6 is because 1. economy isnt doing so hot, so even if people did want they v8, they might have to settle with the v6, and 2. Increasing gas prices.
I think alot of you are missing the point here. Who gives a shit about the V6...that's not the performance model.
When discussing the V8 you have to consider its competition. The Challenger and Mustang....with all do respect, the Camaro is far better than both. I can quote about 6 different high ranking GM reps that have stated the Camaro will be priced in line with the Mustang, all be it slightly more expensive. So you can fully expect the SS to come in around $29k or even less. Whoever said 36k is rediculous as far as starting price. Sure, with options you can get it up that high...but starting price for a V8 will begin UNDER 30k.
It has 3 less hp than the Challenger and 300 less pounds. I'm pretty sure 3hp isn't going to make up 300 lbs. It has 122 more hp than the Mustang...that's not even competition.
Lastly...look at the freaking numbers. Those numbers are not GM's numbers and GM did not loan the car for others to test...So how the hell did anyone get the numbers???? Disregard those numbers for a sec and consider something else. The Challenger runs a 0-60 in 4.7 and 1/4mi in 13.0. Do you honestly expect a car with virtually the same power ratings and 300 less pounds to run .4 seconds SLOWER???? GET REAL. Face it, those numbers were pulled out of someone's ass. The Camaro was at the ring for testing purposes so they can tweak it....not to see where the final car stands. They will take their results and make changes to the car as needed, the car is only going to get faster.
+1
This car looks tits. I'm not a big V8 kinda person, but I'm really into this car. If it's truly packing the LS3 upon release I expect it to EASILY put the Challenger in it's place as an overall performance value. Plus the shear amount of aftermarket support makes it almost a no-brainer on which one to choose. Coupled along with the fact that IMO the interior and exterior looks better than the Challenger.
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