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Old 06-14-2004, 03:31 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Outlaw octane booster?

I was just at Wal Mart strolling through the automotive section and I decided to pick up a 4 pack of the Outlaw octane booster. Who here has tried it and any ill affect from it? I did do a search and there was a few threads about how the plugs will turn a rusty color but that it is all I can really find. Any thoughts are welcome.
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I've been using it for about 5 months in NM. Haven't had a problem. I use one of those small tubes per tank.

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I don't know if it hurts it any but I do know it didn't change any hp numbers. A while back, I dynoed before and after and got no difference.
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Quote: Originally Posted by ohioman1964
I've been using it for about 5 months in NM. Haven't had a problem. I use one of those small tubes per tank.

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Cool, thanks! I guess I will give it a try. Have you tried any other octane boosters besides that one? Does anyone know if there is any octane boosters that will negatively affect our car?
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Unless you are running S2 or more boost what's the point?

You can make your own with Toluene

R+M/2.........114
Cost...........$2.50/gal
Mixtures with 92 Octane Premium
10%...........94.2 Octane
20%...........96.4 Octane
30%...........98.6 Octane

Notes: Common ingredient in Octane Boosters in a can. 12-16 ounces will only raise octane 2-3 *points*, i.e. from 92 to 92.3. Often costs $3-5 for 12-16 ounces, when it can be purchased for less than $3/gal at chemical supply houses or paint stores.
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This is "supposed" to be better/safer
http://www.need4speedpower.com/torco.html
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Quote: Originally Posted by DebianDog
This is "supposed" to be better/safer
http://www.need4speedpower.com/torco.html

I am using torco now and love it... I was paying $4.75 a gallon for 100 octane at the track and was pulling 12.9's - 13.2's... With Torco it ends up being about $2.90 a gallon and my recent trip to the track was 12.85's - 13.1's... I use 12 gallons of 92 pump gas and 32oz of torco. The mixture for 100 octane is 15 gallons fuel to 32oz torco and for 104 it is 10 gallons fuel 32oz torco...

I have S2 with toys so that is the only reason why I use it.. If you are not S2 or if yo don't have a bigger turbo, it really isn't worth it to up the octane.
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I just ordered a can for testing we will see..


Quote: Originally Posted by DebianDog
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http://www.need4speedpower.com/torco.html

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if we dont have a cat can we use the leaded version w/ doing harm??
seeing that it raises it even more...
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Quote: Originally Posted by DebianDog
Unless you are running S2 or more boost what's the point?

Higher Octane will always be your friend, specially on a turbo engine, no matter what boost levels you have. It is your insurance against fatal detonation.
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Quote: Originally Posted by wolf
Higher Octane will always be your friend, specially on a turbo engine, no matter what boost levels you have. It is your insurance against fatal detonation.

Negligible, Unless your running more timing or more boost and are worried about pre-detonation.

Unless the spark is increased... very little gain. Maybe a .10 in the 1/4. Not worth it. IMHO.

My buddie just did a methanol install so he could run 120 octane in his 725 HP formula.
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Quote: Originally Posted by DebianDog
Negligible, Unless your running more timing or more boost and are worried about pre-detonation.

Unless the spark is increased... very little gain. Maybe a .10 in the 1/4. Not worth it. IMHO.

My buddie just did a methanol install so he could run 120 octane in his 725 HP formula.


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Quote: Originally Posted by DebianDog
Unless you are running S2 or more boost what's the point?

You can make your own with Toluene

R+M/2.........114
Cost...........$2.50/gal
Mixtures with 92 Octane Premium
10%...........94.2 Octane
20%...........96.4 Octane
30%...........98.6 Octane

Notes: Common ingredient in Octane Boosters in a can. 12-16 ounces will only raise octane 2-3 *points*, i.e. from 92 to 92.3. Often costs $3-5 for 12-16 ounces, when it can be purchased for less than $3/gal at chemical supply houses or paint stores.


Out here in California our premium fuel is only 91 Octane and new my car would ping on it when the motor was warmed up and under a heavy load. Sometimes even jumping on it at 4,000 rpm I would get ping.

I started using the Outlaw and the ping stopped. Got a good deal on it 1.89 for a 32oz can. So I bought 7 cans. I switch to Torco Fuel Blend and the ping was still gone.

I had a six pack of the Torco and was saving it for Autocrosses and maybe track days so went back to the Outlaw.

I started getting "carbon tracking" on my combustion end of the plug and they were reddish in color.

I have decided to use the Torco all of the time and if i still foul plugs I'll just have to bend over and change them. I'll just stock up.
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Quote: Originally Posted by reddy
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Detonation (also called "spark knock") is an erratic form of combustion that can cause head gasket failure as well as other engine damage. Detonation occurs when excessive heat and pressure in the combustion chamber cause the air/fuel mixture to autoignite. This produces multiple flame fronts within the combustion chamber instead of a single flame kernel. When these multiple flames collide, they do so with explosive force that produces a sudden rise in cylinder pressure accompanied by a sharp metallic pinging or knocking noise. The hammer-like shock waves created by detonation subject the head gasket, piston, rings, spark plug and rod bearings to severe overloading.

Well if you are not getting pinging then the ECU will advance the timing to it's MAX allowed with the programmed fuel maps. i.e. the car is programmed to run @ say 93 if it get pinging it will retard the timing (loss in HP) till it stops or reaches the low end of the fuel map. Unless you are running more boost you will have no need for the extra octane, being it is running as designed. If anything you will run up your EGT's since a lot of unburned fuel is running through there, and that will also cause a loss in HP.

The best way to get the most out of your car is to tune it for the boost you will be running every day then maybe a seperate "High-boost/High-octane" setup. You can do this with something like the PSI software.

Another thing you can do (what my buddy did) did is tune his car for "street mode" low boost then after it hits a certain PSI his boost controller turns on an Alky System like this one cooling everything down and bringing the octane level up to 120.

All that being said it will not hurt you too much running a few extra octane. I wish I could find the artical where it actually showed HP going down after a certain level is reached. But anyway you get the idea.

Oh the Stage 2 kit comes with a high octane fuel map too....
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