2 Hard pulls in 3rd.. second run hits fourth for a second.. Nothing added but the tune.. Didnt modify any of the parameters.. boosting 16.5 psi 93 octane in the tank. looks to me like a touch of fuel between 4k5k.. I am attempting my first knock tune so ...


:feedback: thanks guys

2 hard pulls in 3rd, second pass i briefly go into fourth..

does anyone know the conversion for boost on the dsp im looking at sensed map and its like 28 psi can someone tell e actual boost

I've seen a few people's logs and I see timing all over the place. Some show 27*, others show 21. What's the ideal amount?

Hope this give a few needed tools to help guys retune the WG DC table for odd ball WGAs

First thing needed when fine tuning PCM boost control, escpecially with a goofy wga(external) is tuning the WasteGate Duty Cycle table. I've recently figured out the PIDs to do this.


TURBO WG RPM TERM
This PID IS the WG DC Table values. It lines up perfectly with RPM(X axis) and the PID TURBO TOTAL AF DES FILTD(Y axis)

TURBO WG BASE(93.75%) = TURBO WG RPM TERM(95.31%) + Amb Term(0%) + ACT Term(-4.688%) + BARO term(3.125%).
[not sure where the I,P, and PI terms fits into this]

WG DC Apaptive Learning:
Since TURBO WG DC = 79.41% the difference between WG BASE(93.75%) and WG DC(79.41%) IS the Adaptive correction(-14.34%)

Figuring out Adaptive correction is a bit counter-intuitive but it'll be handy for gauging how close the WG DC values are.

I'm still have not finnished varifing all this to be 100% but its at least 95% right and I'll update it as needed. After this is varified I plan on identifing all the Desired Torque modifiers PIDs


Log WG DC % Reference


My Wg DC table


Asside: Looks like the resultant DC%(79.41%) is suspiciously close the the Stock WG DC value,,,,I'm using the stock wga,,,,,,,,,:intrestin,,,maybe I should change the table back to stock??

hey guys i have a couple questions for you. first off i have been doing some researching and i may have overlooked it so if there is already a link ill gladly read up. i am a comnplete newb to this kind of tuning and realy want to learn as much as i can

1. is there a thread or link that explains what the different pids are used for? some of them i understand but a lot of them i look at but i have no flipping clue what im looking at.

2. on a log how do i tell the boost im running (for both stock and 3 bar sensors). right now im on stockers until i get the funds for nigel to rescale them.
---i think i read that with 3 bars, you take the [map to use] - [baro]. is this correct? is it the same for the stockers?

3. how do i actually tell the timing?
--- i know i read it somewhere but i keep confusing myself...

4. while trying to do a quick 2nd gear pull i was trying to look at boost gauge and wideband. it looked like it was around 12.2-12.4 near redline which i think is too lean for me right now. how do i go in and add more fuel in the 5-7k range? when i looked at the handheld in the wot fuel, i saw rich......lean. it was sitting in the middle. which was do a take it to add fuel..

sorry for all the questions but id like to try and get a decent street tune on my d60

I have a SCT tune from AGP and I can get a DSP from my friends for Data logging purposes. May I use the DSP for a while and then go back to the "stock tune" (actually SCT tune) to unlock the DSP again? The SCT handheld will recognize my car again?

Regards.

hey guys, looking at getting a dsp from a local guy, but doesnt come with the 93 tune. is there any way that i can get a copy of the 93 tune to put on the dsp until i can get a custom tune? also, i can turn off the second O2 sensor with the dsp right? thanks for the info

ok when i got the dsp i posted my logs getting 6 knk and i made a thread. added 5% fuel 3k - 5k and now that get a wideband im idling/cruising 14.7 but WOT at about 2k shoots down to about 12 and builds back up to high 13s by redline. looks like thats over 4k maybe over 5k. just keep adding fuel? my last log i wasnt hardly getting knock after i added fuel.

actual boost is 16.5 holding 14.5.. Please tell me what you think

Also i have noticed that once i make a deposit file i cant look at it.. it says wrong format in the viewer... any help ?


deposit files

Right now I have 3 bar MAP and TIP sensors but I need to upgrade to 3.5 bar MAP so I can run the boost that I want. One question is do I have to upgrade the TIP also or can I do just the MAP since we are only talking a few more PSI up top?

Next question is where is the best source to get a good price on the 3.5 bar sensor?

I know this question has been asked, ive seen it before, but i cant for the life of me find the post with the answer. im looking at getting a dsp used, what screen do i need a picture of and what am i looking for to tell through a picture definatively if the dsp is mated or unlocked? thanks for the responses.

Below is a log from a pass at the dragstrip that I made this past Friday. I have the stock unported turbo, FM WGA, FMIC, and cutout exhuast. I was worried about ST KNK, so I had the timing fairly conservative. It looks like Actual SPK CYL 1 is around 21. I was using 91 octane and a can of Lucas octane booster.

Is 21* of timing too conservative? What's the ideal timing for our cars? My tune was from Rage Tek, and I was pulling 2* of timing from 3k rpm and up.

She went 13.29 @ 106 with this setup. Could I sqeeze out a couple more mph by putting those 2* of timing back in?

Diablosport log from dragstrip

I think that the E85 craze has taken, so we have decided to bite the bullet and get an injectors out to you guys.

Here is what we have:

775's
1000's
2000's

All rated at 43.5 psi can be ran to 100 psi with zero issues and are 100% PNP.

I did the math for the E85 injectors and they will support (at 7000 RPM).

775's at 55 psi will support 350 CHP at 100 psi 500 CHP

1000's at 55 psi will support 525 CHP at 100 psi 690 CHP

2000 at 55 psi will support 1200 at 100 psi 1575 CHP

This math is based on a specific gravity ot .770 and BSFC of .775 to get the E85 HP levels that you see above.

The 775's will support most stock turbo application and upgraded wheel (Stage 3 Killer) stock turbos on the market. You should be able to get away with running these with a stock fuel system but you will need a 255 HP pump and fuel pump rewire kit in order to make you system safe. I have done this for a few local to me and with email tunes and hand nothing but great success. Stock turbo cars running at 323 WHP and over 430 WTQ.

The 1000's will support your basic big turbo applications running on stock block and not reving over 6500 RPM. You should be able to get to 580 WHP with just a single 255 fuel pump with return line and bottle neck mod. If you want to run into the 600's I would say its important to get the twin pump set up from fully blown or build your own with 055 pumps. Either way running more than 600 WHP is going to take twin pumps and larger feed lines to the rail (just to be safe). I have done this for two customers, both email tunes and both running 30 psi to 6500 RPM AFR's are very smooth and they are very happy with the daily drivability of the car.

2000's well these will support any amount of power that the SRT4 can make and if you want to run over 800 WHP I would get some serious fueling for your car. I will be testing the limits of my system (twin Bosch pumps moving 285 lph) full 10AN line to a 10AN rail and 8AN return to the tank. I will be using these injectors to max out the car on the E85 tune. As stated, I will be testing these on my car to see if the DS software will allow me to run this much injector on E85.

Now here is why I am posting this... I will give a free rescale and help with the tune for anyone buying a set of these injectors to run on E85. I have 15 or so cars tuned to run on E85 now and we are really getting the tunes down, but I want to see more people running this set up and it takes bigger injectors to make it happen, so we have taken the time to find a MFG that makes an injector tht will work for E85 and move the volume without the hassles of swaping over this or that with injectors drivers or resistor boxes.

Prices are as follows:
775's $445 + shipping
1000's $455 + shipping
2000's $955 + shipping

I will be starting a GB thread as well in the vendor sales section, but I wanted to get a feel first in this thread as to how many of you running the DSP or Trinity would like to try E85 on their car.

Thanks, and let me know if you want to get a set of injectors that are PNP for your application.

My thing is i know it would be great if it was as simple as adding fuel and pushing more boost.... Long story short.. I dont have a wideband yet. Either way i assume thats how you all do it.... more gas above 3k and a few turns on the wga.. (mines a kinetic) .. Obviously i would want to see where the a/f 's are so is it that simple could someone elaborate for me.....

Thanks in advance.

Would this work? I don't totally get PCM programming, but I was thinking use the DSP to tune to canned 93, then use the N2MB to update the boost tables.

This possible?



Also still looking for someone to do a custom tune for me