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I'm not sure why you keep focusing on sales figures after i stated over and over im not calling these games flops in terms of sales.

Once again, what I'm saying is that sony has this long list of games that were supposed to be "the game" that would make you want a ps3, and every single one of them failed to REALLY wow anyone and sold primarily to previous owners, not new ones(with the exception of motorstorm, being that it was bundled).

I don't recall Uncharted or R&C being billed as that type of game, even though they both did turn out to be some of the best early examples of a universally praised game on the console.