The original thread we made regarding questions on the flash has grown a bit hairy, so rather than send someone into a 50+ page thread to search for answers, I decided to make a thread to answer the most common and popular questions.
How much does the flash cost?
The flash is $700 + shipping. This will include the handheld programmer, software, USB cable, and instructions. The programmer will be loaded with the map we tailored to your particular setup.
What PCM's will this work with?
This will work with all pcm's EXCEPT '03 Stage 0. If you have an '03 you need Stage 1/2/3 in order to use our flash.
Do I need a 3-bar map and tip sensor?
Yes and no. You will need a Mopar 3-bar map sensor, and your tip sensor only needs to read the equivalent to a 3-bar tip sensor at ambient pressure.
1. We sell the map sensor and a tip sensors for $200.
2. You can buy the 3-bar map sensor and a 3-bar tip sensor (the same sensors from Mopar Stage 2 or 3) from the dealer.
NOTE: People who have Mopar Stage 2 or Stage 3 installed on their cars do not need any additional sensors. You already received the 3-bar map and tip sensors when you bought Stage 2 or 3, and do not need anything additional
What do you need to know to make the tune?
In order to put a map together for you, we need to know only a few things.
We need:
- Turbo size
- Injector size
- If you have a return line
- If you have valvetrain work (to determine where to set your rev limiter)
- If you have a stock block, and if not what compression ratio your motor is.
We do NOT need to know:
- Any other modification, including fuzzy dice and underglow lights.
But you didn't ask what boost I'm running!
We suggest using an external boost controller. While the PCM has the ability to control boost, the customer would then not be able to change that setting.
Can I tweak the tune you gave me on my own?
Unfortunately no. The handheld programmer will be locked to your VIN as soon as you flash your car. The handheld has a unique serial number which our map will contain to ensure that your map only is used with your handheld. Any changes to your map will need to be done by us.
We spent a lot of time in developing these maps, and we would like control as to which car these maps are used on. This is not only to protect our investment into this project, but to prevent someone from flashing someone else's car and blow it up with a map that was not designed for their car.
The map is designed as a base tune. While the map may be spot on in some areas, other areas will be a bit conservative for safety. For those who would like to fine tune their car, we suggest using a piggyback on top of the flash and to pull out the extra few % of fuel needed to achieve your desired air/fuel ratio. The big difference now is that rather than pulling 30% of fuel out for the car to run with large injectors, the scaling is done for you on the PCM level, so it'll be much like fine tuning a stock turbo car or a Mopar Stage 3 car with a piggyback. You will not need to pull out nearly as much fuel in order to fine tune.
Am I going to get a perfect tune from your flash?
The simple answer is
no. The complex answer is yes. Out of the box tuning is hassle free for the end customer, however there is no way we can give a "perfect" tune for every customer. Each customer has their own definition of a perfect tune, and we will work with every customer with some fine tuning to get you where you want to be. Keep in mind, the best solution would be for you to have your car in front of us on our dyno and allow us to tune it "perfectly".
Our SCT tunes are spot on for 95% of people right out of the box when combined with our turbo kits. Excellent drivability, great power, no hassle tuning is what we intended with using the SCT software, and we've been able to deliver that for our customers.
Will I make more power by tuning myself with a piggyback vs. your SCT Tune?
Certainly you will make more power tuning your car yourself with a piggyback. A piggyback like the SAFC, DTEC, etc. fools the MAP signal to adjust your fuel curves. While this may be a great way of making a lot of power, you can run into some problems because of the increased timing you will have because of the reduced MAP signal.
The ultimate solution we would recommend would be our SCT Tune
and a piggyback like the SAFC. This combination will give you the ability to fine tune yourself (if you want to), and give you the safety of our flash so you're not running at the ragged edge of melting your engine with a bunch of timing.
Can I have a pump gas map, and a race gas map?
The short answer is no, you don't need one.
The longer answer is that one map can provide both. We will set the map up so that everything up to 21psi is for pump gas.
For those who like to go to the track with race fuel, we will add a bunch of extra timing in the boost areas 22psi and above.
Will I benefit from this if I have a stock turbo?
The stock PCM provides a very aggressive timing curve, and many cars see high counts of knock with bolt-ons running at higher than stock boost. We will pull timing out of the map to make it much safer, although you may end up losing a bit of power from that. The drivability may be better on part throttle, and the car will feel much more smooth though. So the actual answer to this question will vary depending on what you are looking for. From a power standpoint, you may not benefit at all, and may actually lose power. From a drivability standpoint, you will most likely benefit by having a car with a safer tune.
Do I need my TIP sensor hooked up?
Yes, you absolutely need the harness going to the TIP sensor hooked up. You do not need to have a boost line going to the solonoid or sensor.
Will this work with (insert vendor here)'s Super Crazy Awesome Turbo 11.5.3?
Yes. We are equal opportunity here, and will build maps for you even if you have not bought one of our kits.
I changed my turbo and fuel system. Do I have to buy a new tune?
No. When you change your setup, just contact us and let us know what you are changing, and we will email you a new file. Just upload that file to the handheld via the USB cable, and reflash your car.
I have the SCT Tuner Pro Package. Can I still use your map?
Yes, but you will still not be able to modify the map. We will need the serial number for your handheld, and the map will be locked to that. For pricing for the map by itself, give us a call.
All AGP SCT tunes are considered confidential and proprietary information that belongs to AGP Turbochargers, Inc. Any attempt to decipher, decrypt, disseminate, or distribute this confidential and proprietary information is strictly prohibited. Any person who improperly utilizes this confidential and proprietary information will be subject to legal liability. AGP Turbochargers, Inc. will enforce all of its legal remedies with regard to any violations.
Any questions regarding your particular setup or new maps, contact kevin@agpturbo.com directly. Posting any SCT related question in the forum is not going to get you any answers. Send an email to Kevin, period.
