Quote: Originally Posted by whitefwdsm
A cop doesn't tell you to do something then book you. What they do is see if you will comprise a deal and then see if you go through with the deal. Almost the same tatic they use for a drug bust they use on a racing bust. You agree to race this person, not aware they are an undercover. You go out on the street and line up with them. That's enough to get you. Almost like you taking the cash and handing over the dope. You sealed the deal before even splitting.
There's no trap if you line up with them. They rev at you and you "decide" to go then that was your own fault. You don't know if someone's a cop yet a lone know if they are a bystander with an M16 sitting on their passenger seat. You haven't seen it yet but go drive around Orlando. Some cars they have impounded due to street racing they now use them as undercover cop cars for street racing busts. Ranging from Honda's, VW's and even a Subaru. You line up its fair game.
When you at somewhere "watching" street racing. They have the right to block off every road possible and detain everyone. You will receive a spectating citation. So yes they have the right to trap you. You haven't experienced yet. You think they are going to say, "Oh you can go... you weren't racing"? They are going to give everyone there tickets.
Every state is different.
You're right every state is different, and coming from one that beleives in entrapment (which I thought was national) I personally just don't agree, but hey that's my opinion. As to the topic itself:
A cop will obv not say go through these cones at 80 we need to test something and then nail you. I just said that purposely to stress what the difference between from what you said (which was about how cops and sit anywhere uncover and clock you on speed) and what I said (about how entrapment is just that, a trap and that because someone is undercover doesn't mean anything unless they instigate it)
The sting operations with drugs are a little different, but essentially you are right, they can offer it to you, but offering is a very loose term to them and so is mutually. If they go from one guy to the next to the next etc all in like 10 min or in ANY way pressure you to do a deal without any reason to beleive you will do so (which some would argue is profiling otherwise) you can't be at fault. And to say that it won't work in court is not true. If people can sue mcdonalds for making them fat and sue dunkin donuts for not putting this beverage is hot on the cup well I'm pretty sure anything can be done. And that's in court only. Obviously if someone stops you they are very confident and even if the cop is wrong (which I'm sure many of us have been in a situation where they were) they won't admit to it and will still say your wrong and give you shit anyway and you won't get out of it. These matters (like most) are taken care of in a court room not right there on the spot in your car. And you are right where mostly they kinda side with the cop, however that might be for many reasons that are supported statistically, (you're young, a boy, talk/dress like a gangster whatever the case may be) but that's for things which I guess are arguably minor in comparrison to this topic. However if you go in there, present a case well thought out, and you bring up the word profiling, entrapment whatever they USUALLY have second thoughts especially if you argue well. Ive seen it done. It's like if you're a a minority and pull the race card, you know how some people will cower to that especially if it's a real life issue in anyplace. Some people out there don't know the law or their rights and/or they know/think they were at fault and just sit there and take it. However back to the issue at hand.
Entrapment is defined legally as "A person is 'entrapped' when he is induced or persuaded by law enforcement officers or their agents to commit a crime that he had no previous intent to commit; and the law as a matter of policy forbids conviction in such a case." It also goes on more and more about it but the big thing they stress is the intention. If you have no intention than legally you can't be at fault. Which more or less supports my thoughts of; you have to give them a strong reason not just because you look the part (that won't fly in court especially if you can prove it) which alternately is also profiling. But all that said, if a cop instigates something for no reason (burning out/yelling out the window, revving multiple times) when the guy next to him is just looking straight ahead without any interest with arguably no intention of doing so than they can't be at fault. But if the guy is showing interest giving signs looking at the light, revving talkin shit w/e then anything is fair game then. If they race they obv agree, but who's to say that was their original intent, and not just get away from me or will you go away if i do this type of deal, thats why entrapment was even legally considered in the first place because there are dirty cops, I worked with them and I know they infer it heavily. and that's why they target us b/c we're more likely initiate something like that especially if they show up in a modded cobra or something.
As for the street racing spectators. I have in fact experienced that, however that is not entrapment. The people who are there were in no way "trapped" by the cops. Blocking the exit is not entrapment it isn't based off physical means like that. And if they give you a ticket for loitering or being part of the racing that's fine, but that's everyone being caught in the act. Unless like at sonics if you are a paying customer they can't touch you. It's not someone setting everyone up. It isn't cops organizing an entire meet and street racing events and running the show just to bust people later. However if that was the case that is entrapment.
I think this is a great topic of debate and I like intelligent debates and I think it's good you are discussing it with me and we're both mature enough to keep things calm. It'd be nice to hear some other thoughts on the topic though
I'll give you credit for your views though
